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$10,000 permit?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by rrruuunnn, Jun 16, 2009.

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  1. rrruuunnn

    rrruuunnn Member

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    Someone said that in Texas if one has to carry over $10,000 for their job, they are allowed a gun permit. Is this true?
     
  2. ljnowell

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    In texas you can have one anyway, cant you?
     
  3. CoRoMo

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    If you apply for a permit, you are allowed a permit.
     
  4. Raptorq7r13

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    Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit.
     
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    "Raptorq7r13
    Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit "

    Texas has attached non payment of Student Loans to the CCW Permit.

    If you are not current with payments, you must become so before you will
    be allowed a CCW Permit.
     
  6. CoRoMo

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    My brother is an instructor in Texas.
    If you have $10,000, he can perform the instruction needed for acquiring a permit.:D
     
  7. CapnMac

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    Business Code may still have a provision for that sort of thing. It has some specifics on use of force to prevent loss of property and the like, too. Business Code allows business owners to go armed in their place of business, too.

    Not sure if the Transporation Code covers that, though.

    Not having a properly unified code can offer a number of challenges in citing things.
     
  8. Frog48

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    Thats some bogus info.

    Issuance of a Texas CHL is not contigent on any particular form of employment, or duties of employment, such as carrying large sums of money. As long as you meet the Texas CHL eligibility criteria, you can get the license.
     
  9. 41022collector

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    I cannot say for Texas, but in ohio, even now with CCW avail a code nicknamed "The Prudent Man Act," the law basically states a Man would be prudent in going armed if carrying large sums of money, jewels etc.... it is still on the books here, but truly gettinga CCW in anywhere except Cleveland in Ohio is fairly easy.

    I am not sure if Tex has this same type of law, code, act, rule etc....

    Regards,
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  10. CWL

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    I think that the OP is looking for a way to justify a CHL when he may not otherwise qualify for one (under 21?). Remember that the OP seems to post a new "life or death" encounter every week.
     
  11. rrruuunnn

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    I have been a CHL holder for 8 years. I am at the ripe age of 39. The problem is that I sent my renewal application 2 weeks after my expiration date. So I have to wait months for a permit.

    I had to carry large sum of money over $10,000 today from the restaurant to the bank. I am still waiting for my CHL to come in the mail.

    I happen to bank at the bank that got robbed just this week. I recall at least 4 bank robberies the past couple years. And I don't even watch the news. I live in a city where crime is becoming a problem like every city in the country. Just a few weeks ago someone had their car jacked near our restaurant. The Onstar located the vehicle.

    I do recall that my father was given a gun permit and gun from a cop 30 years ago. Also my commissioner friend got a gun permit with a gift gun about 20 years ago. I'm not looking for special treatment. Just want to know the law as of now while I'm waiting for my permit.

    I think that I'll just email my CHL instructor now and ask him.
     
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    rrruuunnn,

    The answer is that you cannot legally carry concealed until to receive your renewed TX CHL, regardless of how much money you are transporting. Likewise, if you lost your CHL card (lost or stolen wallet) you would not be legally allowed to carry until you received your replacement CHL card. This type of issue (long waits for renewed/replacement CHLs in Texas) is why a lot of people also get a non-resident permit from another state, like Utah. By leaving the spare permit at home, you always have a valid permit to carry if the other is lost or expires. (Obviously you would want to make sure to stagger the renewal dates.)
     
  13. rrruuunnn

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    +1

    One good thing about applying late is that I get one extra year for my license because it expires on the 4th birthday and I already passed my birthday. So my first will be in a year.

    This pertains to Texas only.

    Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.
     
  14. Rockwell1

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    I can't imagine one restaurant doing 10 K in one day shouldn't you be doing bank drops a little bit more often?

    And this is the fault of the state of Texas how?

    And I thought I was the only one that n:Dticed that

    Would you like us to all be impressed now?
     
  15. rrruuunnn

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    I am not blaming Texas. They sent me my renewal paperwork in the mail six months ago. I didn't realize that I had to take a renewal class and wait 2 months for processing until recently. I gladly take the extra year gained for applying after my birthdate.

    I own 9 locations, you do the math. If you deposit everyday, you'd still be at $10,000+.

    I'm not trying to impress. I'm just saying that I'm law abiding and we donate money to the community. We know the university president on a first name basis, and get personal letters from our US state representative.

    I am not trying to be annoying or arrogant. I have worked along side my employees since I was 12 full time. I am really down to earth guy. People in high school thought I was poor. I was one of the few that didn't have a car till I was 26. I am not a flashy guy.

    Like I said I sent my email to my CHL instructor and I'm leaving to do my errands. Have a good day.
     
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    There are many here in Palm Beach County that do in excess of $10K per day. Most have armored car pick up though.
     
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    Don't know what problem there would be in Cleveland (OH). Anyone from Cleveland can go to an adjacent county (like mine, Medina), make an appointment, and get a CCW license. The City of Cleveland does not call the shots on a CCW license, nor does the County of Cuyahoga, since they can be "bypassed" at the adjoining counties, should they give the applicant a problem. Ohio is basically a shall issuse state to qualifying applicants, AFAIK.
     
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    You can either get a CCW or apply for the lethal weapons cerification which does not cover concealed carry. Having a certain amount of money on you does not allow you any more privelege than any other swinging Richard in this world.
    Somebody is pulling your leg, watch it doesn break off after that long of a pull.
     
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    Good luck with that. Some local yokel mayor or cop doesnt have any more pull with TX DPS than anybody else. You could be Governor Perry's best friend, and it still wouldnt matter.
     
  20. rrruuunnn

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    Are you saying that my father was given a fake permit and gun from the police and my commissioner friend was given a fake permit and gun from the police too. Wow. I saw on court TV , a woman in fear for her life was given a gun permit by detectives. Did the police commit a crime in front of the television camera. Wow.

    I feel like Spencer Pratt in I'm a Celebrity. Get me out of here. LOL.
     
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    I don't know anything about Texas, (except its beautiful of course.....) but here in Maryland there are issues about acquiring that can be based on money and deposits. I have a card from FL that gives me a lot of reciprocity in the states that I carry cash in, (I have a mobile vending business, we sell racing tires at race tracks) but I don't yet have a MD permit in my own state. I am eligible for one since I own a corporation licensed here, and have a small storefront address as well. My cash deposits are normally only a couple of grand at a time, but because our credit card and check deposits can sometime exceed ten grand in a weekend, the police are willing to issue me.

    The goofy thing is that if another person, like a restaurant or theatre manager, made deposits that are way, way larger than mine, they still can NOT get the permit here, unless they OWN the company.

    Obviously I am lucky that I fall within the guideline and will take full advantage of it, but it seems unfair to everyone else that lives here. There are employees of other companies around me, that handle WAY MORE CASH than I do, but can't get licensed. Doesn't seem right.

    I know that someone reading this may chime in and say, "well, yes, if they represent the owner in deposit and banking with that kind of money their employer can sign off and get them a card," which is technically true, but the liablity and legal responsibilty of the carry, and any subsequent discharge, transfers directly and squarely back to the shoulders of the owner who signed off on that, so in practice, no one does it that way. Unless your employer is an armored truck service, the chance of him signing off on your getting a card here as an employee is like, nill.

    -Quentin
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    I'd recommend getting a permit through standard channels and avoid carrying the ten large around whenever possible.

    Les
     
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    What the heck are you talking about? Yes, I am saying that they're fake. Texas state law has no provisions for issuance of concealed handgun licenses by local jurisdictions, so the sort of “permit” you’re talking about would be legally invalid. The law is the law, CHL's are issued by Texas DPS. A local law enforcement agency does not have the authority to issue a concealed handgun license. Nor would any police department just give away firearms to civilians willy-nilly.

    Way back in the day, it was fairly common for a county sheriff to deputize their friends/family, often for no other reason than to allow them to carry firearms. However that is not a realistic option nowadays, as Texas Peace Officers (including appointed deputies and reserve officers) have been required to attend a police academy and become TCLEOSE licensed. Thats been in effect since the mid-1980's.
     
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    Aside from this armed security guards even take a week long course (lethal weapons certification), go through a psych exam, a background check, etc.
    Police who work for local depts. require a local police academy which usually last 3 months, and has all of the prerequisite pysch exams, and background checks beforehand.
    These certs were brought on by former criminals in the past who were made into police, and the few with long mental health histories who were hired by police departments at one time.
    Major trouble like this caused massive change in the system. Heck even a certain dept of corrections changed its system many years ago when it was common place for relatives of employees to get hired on that premise alone. The top of the cake was a long time employee who wrote about his threats to other people, then one day after work shot his "multiple wives" and children, then himself.
     
  25. rrruuunnn

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    Shvar,
    I'm not sure what point your making. There was 20 20 or 60 minutes about what your are taking about. One of my friends failed the physical. Another the mental. But his brother became one. Another one became a cop. I was told that one day will not be enough training for chl. And the cop in our class complained how much hours of training required annually. That is why I've already taken three CHL and read 4+ books and go online. Each instructor is like a new class. I still don't want to be in any situation. Innocent people are in jail for defending their life.

    I'm sure I could call my father to repeat the story, but he is in his late 70's and hard to talk to. Also, I may just have to call my friend to repeat the story to me. Because I don't know who to believe right now, my distant memory or the LEO.

    My main concern is the type of people we've hired in the past. I have seen many criminal records. Otherwise, I wouldn't be even getting a CHL.

    Funny, thing that you mentioned that ex criminals have become police officers. Because in 2 of my CHL classes, I saw 1 or 2 students that didn't look eligible for CHL.
     
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