1000 yrd .270?

Status
Not open for further replies.

cobra246

Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2015
Messages
75
Is it possible to shoot consistently at 1000 yrds with my Winchester XPR .270?
24" 1:10 4 groove barrel. Bolt action.
If it is possible, what would be the best scope to use under $1000 bucks? Im thinking something with 20x magnification and parallax adjustment, etc?
 
Thanks. Additional info is that i currently do not reload my own ammo but if it nessesary for a 1000 yrds then i can and will set my self up.
 
How accurate is your rifle at shorter ranges? It does not get better at Long Range.

I don't know of a .270 factory load that would be suitable for Long Range.

Berger has some high ballistic coefficient .270 bullets that would do well if the load were good and the rifle precise. Handloading for Long Range target shooting is demanding of equipment and skill.

(I capitalize Long Range because that is the NRA term for ranges greater than 600 yards, most usually the 800, 900, and 1000 yards of the Palma matches. Generic "long range" might mean anything over 100 out to a mile.)
 
My groups at 100 yrds are sub-MOA. Approx 3/4 inch with 150 grain federal fusion bullets
 
ive shot 600 yards into dinner plates with cheap remington 223 value packs, so you certainly could do that at least. Give it a try.
 
I think it would likely work with a Nosler Ballistic tip.

Find a local F-Class match and try it at 600 yards first.

If you can score 180/200 at 600 yards, odds are pretty good you can stay on the paper at 1000 and improve from there.

The 8.5-25 Leupold scopes will work well enough.
 
Years ago, one of the contributors to the Fullbore* newsgroup recounted the outcomes of some testing he did on the Ballistic Tips. Out to about 600 yards, they would run with the best of the match bullets, but after that their accuracy fell off noticeably.

If you do try them and notice that your results are not what you expected at the longer ranges, it may not be you, but rather the bullets letting you down.

*Fullbore = the British Commonwealth lang range shooting game that includes Palma as well as longer range competitions all the way out to 1200 yards.

The fellow who did the testing was the main importer of shooting components for England and a fullbore competitor.
 
If you can find Hornady 140 grain BTSP loads I would certainly give them a try. I have three 270s of different manufactures that really shine with those loads.

I can get 1/2 MOA @ 400 yrds with factory loads in a Browning ABolt. After i started hand loading I was able to improve that to 3/8 MOA with that bullet.

My sons have a Rem 700 and a Savage 110 in 270 that will do 1/2 MOA with those same bullets with loads developed for those rifles.

I don't have a longer shot on my place so I cain't say on anything longer, but I expect they would do well at longer ranges.
 
Cobra 246 More info is needed. Are you going to hunt game at 1000 yards or are you just wanting to be able to hit a target at that range?

A lot of the hunting bullets about 600 yards change the meplat (nose) shape and start behaving erratically. You are probably going to have to search for a hollow point bullet to get paste the in flight deformation.

You are going to have to start reloading to achieve the maximum capability of your rifle. As well you will probably need to get the action bedded.

As a general rule light hunting rifles do not do well at 1000 yards if continuous shots are fired and they heat up but then again I have seen light barrel rifles do well for 20+ shots at long range but they are rare.

To achieve the smallest dispersion (most call this accuracy) your ammo needs to be precision loaded and chronographed and you are looking for a standard deviation as small as possible.

For instance if you have a 30 cal rifle and are loading 180 grain bullets and your loads give you an extreme spread of 100 fps, you will deliver vertical dispersion of about 40" at 1000 yards. Logically if your ammo has a 50fps you are looking at 20" vertical dispersion.

Now lets say you are shooting at the conventional 1000 yard target the 10 ring is 20" diameter and if you have absolutely no aiming error, and can dope the wind you can shoot all 10s but not likely.

Thus you need a extreme velocity spread of 25 fps which theoretically gives you a 10" group which is the size of the X ring.

I would not recommend a scope with over 10X for such shooting because the higher your power the more mirage you are going to pick up and seeing through mirage is a trick as it tends to refract light and the target is not where you think it is.

OK lets say you have a rifle that will print 1" or less at 100 yards and your ammo has an extreme spread of 25 fps that is only a start but a good one.

What you will next need is a very good range finder because at ranges beyond 600 yards the drop every 100 yards can be from 10 to 15 inches thus you need to know the exact range and have a confirmed zero.

Next the wind effect on your bullet can be enormous. For instance I have shot in winds where there was so much windage cranked on my sights, had the wind stopped I would have hit the target 8 feet right. I have shot with guys who have shot service rifle and they literally had to aim at the target next to theirs to get the bullet to hit the intended target.

I have a target board 4' wide and 8' high. I start with a 300 yard zero and place a target at the top of the 8' board. Move back to 400 and shoot three shots, then to 500, 600 and so on you will give get a idea quickly of how a increase in range will affect you bullet. Measure the distance below center of target aimed at to each bullet hole and record the drop in inches and average the drop.

Next make up a chart of the bullet drops by yard line. It will be a very educational experience for you.
 
Cobra 246 More info is needed. Are you going to hunt game at 1000 yards or are you just wanting to be able to hit a target at that range?

A lot of the hunting bullets about 600 yards change the meplat (nose) shape and start behaving erratically. You are probably going to have to search for a hollow point bullet to get paste the in flight deformation.

You are going to have to start reloading to achieve the maximum capability of your rifle. As well you will probably need to get the action bedded.

As a general rule light hunting rifles do not do well at 1000 yards if continuous shots are fired and they heat up but then again I have seen light barrel rifles do well for 20+ shots at long range but they are rare.

To achieve the smallest dispersion (most call this accuracy) your ammo needs to be precision loaded and chronographed and you are looking for a standard deviation as small as possible.

For instance if you have a 30 cal rifle and are loading 180 grain bullets and your loads give you an extreme spread of 100 fps, you will deliver vertical dispersion of about 40" at 1000 yards. Logically if your ammo has a 50fps you are looking at 20" vertical dispersion.

Now lets say you are shooting at the conventional 1000 yard target the 10 ring is 20" diameter and if you have absolutely no aiming error, and can dope the wind you can shoot all 10s but not likely.

Thus you need a extreme velocity spread of 25 fps which theoretically gives you a 10" group which is the size of the X ring.

I would not recommend a scope with over 10X for such shooting because the higher your power the more mirage you are going to pick up and seeing through mirage is a trick as it tends to refract light and the target is not where you think it is.

OK lets say you have a rifle that will print 1" or less at 100 yards and your ammo has an extreme spread of 25 fps that is only a start but a good one.

What you will next need is a very good range finder because at ranges beyond 600 yards the drop every 100 yards can be from 10 to 15 inches thus you need to know the exact range and have a confirmed zero.

Next the wind effect on your bullet can be enormous. For instance I have shot in winds where there was so much windage cranked on my sights, had the wind stopped I would have hit the target 8 feet right. I have shot with guys who have shot service rifle and they literally had to aim at the target next to theirs to get the bullet to hit the intended target.

I have a target board 4' wide and 8' high. I start with a 300 yard zero and place a target at the top of the 8' board. Move back to 400 and shoot three shots, then to 500, 600 and so on you will give get a idea quickly of how a increase in range will affect you bullet. Measure the distance below center of target aimed at to each bullet hole and record the drop in inches and average the drop.

Next make up a chart of the bullet drops by yard line. It will be a very educational experience for you.
Thanks for the advice. Im not intending to shoot game at 1000 yards.
 
Since you are looking to shoot targets only I would take a look at the Sierra Matchking 135 Gr.

I expect you could expect velocity to be about 3000 fps.

The recoil should be mild.

If you stay off high round runs (20+ continuous) and limit your shooting to say five rounds and let it cool you could perhaps extend your barrel life to 2000+ rounds. I would shoot five, remove bolt and clean while hot and let cool off.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top