Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MJRW, Apr 9, 2003.
There are fewer platforms from which to deliver the 10mm.
There is only one regular production 1911 style 10mm and that is the Dan Wesson Razorback.
There is the full sized Glock 20 and the compact Glock 29 in 10mm.
There is also the EAA Witness in 10mm.
In the used 10mm handgun market, there are the Smiths, Deltas, but they are out of production.
Via the internet, you can get alot of 10mm ammo, but most local shops have little if any 10mm ammo.
Both the 45acp and 10mm are excellent cartridges.
The 10mm is capable of better penetration and has a flatter trajectory, it is a higher velocity cartridge.
I am very comfortable with either cartridge and if economics is a factor, then the 45acp is alot less expensive to have around.
Good luck with whichever one you choose.
ammo. The .40/10mm bullets being cheaper in some cases.
.45 ACP brass is cheap, but you also find good deals on bulk
10mm brass, usually in better shape than .45 brass IMHO
I used to be a big .45 fan. Torn between the ergonomics
and firepower of the CZ75, or the big ole .45 round's
'stopping power' or the warm- fuzzy feeling you get
After finding the Witness in 10mm, it seems a perfect
TEN high-velocity .40 rounds rounds. Plenty of punch..
without punishing recoil, at least in the steel framed Witness
I'm sure the .45 Witness would be OK. I doubt
if it would be as much fun to shoot as the 10MM.
From MILD to WILD! THE 10MM!
I really like shooting the 45 acp, but if I come across a good deal on a 10mm, I might take the plunge again
Big deal? Not to many. Some though.... Well, there are always some.
10mm isn't for everybody. Remember, most people are scared of .45 ACP, so a cartridge that can about double the muzzle energy of G.I. hardball is never going to become a "mainstream" proposition.
Comparing 10mm with .45 ACP almost misses the point, though. What 10mm really does is replicate the versatility of a magnum revolver cartridge in an autoloader, neatly splitting the difference between .357 Magnum and .41 Magnum. Like those cartridges, it is fine for self-defense against humans. And like those cartridges, it can also be credibly used for hunting and self-defense against four-legged critters. In those roles, it easily eclipses .45 ACP... and arguably even .45 Super/.45 SMC.
I like the concept of the 10mm, but I find the .45's controlability to be much better in rapid fire. I was going to buy a Glock 20, just to have one, until Misters Glock and Januzzo screwed that up for me.
You wanna know what the biggest con to the 10mm?
I don't have one!
That kind of says it all... if that is "all" you need a handgun for (and that fits most people), then .45 ACP really doesn't need to be forsaken for something "better." But if you want more versatility (or just more power), 10mm can provide that from an autoloader of practical size.
45acp+p 200gr top out at 1050
10mm 200gr top out at 1200
The only weight load where 45acp approaches 10mm is in the 165gr loads, both go about 1250fps, although the 10mm can be loaded to 1300fps.
I have seen no reliability difference between the two in any platform.
45acp is much easier to find ammo for and has more bullet options, along with being in more pistols.
It comes down to picking a platform and seeing if it comes in 10mm and 45acp.
Then picking one based upon ammo cost and availibility, if that is even a concern for you.
Honestly, if I could only have one gun, I would take the 45acp over the 10mm, due to the availibity of ammo.
I know at least one pistolsmith that said the exact opposite, i.e. that (at least in 1911s) 10mm is a touch more feed-reliable than .45 ACP... the skinnier cartridges (10mm ,9x23) have a "straighter shot" into the chamber in a 1911 than the .45 ACP does.
The 10mm gives the "energy junkie" a hot load that is accurate and it can be downloaded to comfortable levels in large frame guns. It feeds better in a 1911 than the 40 without "work".
Nothing wrong with being an "energy junkie" by the way!
It won't fad away and it won't become popular because it recoils too much for most people in the hot loads. If you shoot it downloaded all the time you might as well buy a 40.
That's all I really care about from these two cartridges.
After recieving and shooting my D.W. 1911 in 10mm, i can say it's the most accurate of ANY pistol i've owned.
So far, i've only run 200 grain TMJ -Blazers & Federals 180 grain American Eagle lead loads thru it. At 15 yards,slow fire two handed = silver dollar size groups all day long.
Some Texas ammo or Pro Load should be excellent fare.
I do believe that i'm going to start to reloading for handgun...
I have no quarrel with 45acp, but 10mm is one sweet round.
If using FMJ ammo, both are going to completely penetrate a human target from nearly any angle at least 90% of the time. Using the best bullets available, both are going to put the serious hurts on a bad guy if called upon to do that. Just depends on if you're more of a heavier and slower guy or a lighter and faster guy but as mentioned above, at 200gr, the 10mm is the same weight and faster so even that argument becomes invalid if comparing that bullet weight.
If you're talking about something just to play with, the 45ACP might come more into it's own, not to say it should be limited to such. But with more readily accessable ammo, the 45 is a more convinient cartridge to shoot. Also, you should be able to make a 45 run faster in competition but you'd probably need a couple years experience to tell the difference and by then, you'd probably be taken into the world of the 38 Super and 9x23.
"...at 200gr, the 10mm is the same weight and faster so even that argument becomes invalid if comparing that bullet weight."
The 10mm Auto represents the third ballistic alternative: HEAVY and FAST.
The 10mm's power range and versatility are simply unmatched by any other caliber that can be chambered in an autoloader of conventional size and weight.
Having said that, I'd add that the .45acp is a fine old warhorse of a cartridge, and no one carrying it for defensive use should feel underarmed.
I would go with the 10mm cause I already have 40s&w reloading stuff. If I didn't reload I would go with the 45.
The point I saw some references to plat forms and one caliber coming in a smaller gun etc. I don't know any guns wheel or autoloader that don't use the same plat form for both thier 10mm and 45acp. So that wouldn't really be a factor.
So what? I don't think too many people here plan on dropping $1,500 on a Bren X, assuming they can even find one...
.355 Sigfan: your sample of one is noted.
As for Baer... it is worth noting that his HRT guns in .45 ACP were unreliable as hell. So excuse me if I'm not impressed.
Such sarcasm. Actually I have owned the 20 and a Smith 610. But my experience shooting 10mm's is not limited to what I have owned. Here is a list of guns I have shot in 10mm. The 45 acp list is too long to think of.
Glock 20, 29
about 6 different assorted 1911's.
The fact is the 10mm shape being tall, straitwalled with truncated cone bullets does not help reliablity. Yes Baer's double stack 1911's did not work well. But most of his other guns do work well. He did not want them to go with a double stack from what I have read. The Smith 1076's the FBI issued were a huge 10mm reliability flop.
Anyway if you have a 10mm that works for you I am happy. Just you had better stock up on ammo and reloading supplies they seem to be less and less people making ammo and guns for the 10mm year by year.
Could you please substantiate your last statement?
Specifically which manufacturers of guns and ammo made a 10 mm last year, and dont still make it this year?
Separate names with a comma.