12 GA 3in. slugs vs. grizz

[RMc]

Soft lead slugs against a grizzly?

Soft lead rifled slug recovered from a large doe @ 15 yards.

This 3 inch magnum one ounce factory loaded slug broke up on the ribs and shoulder, it did not exit. Does the job on deer, questionable penetration on larger game

I would not trust any shotgun slug soft enough to fire through a choke bore shotgun, to stop a Grizzly!

There are factory loaded slugs loaded with hard cast heat-treated .73 caliber 730 grain bullets at 1200 fps. The idea is to use a ultra-bore rifle on a shotgun frame.

A Remington 870 Express with a factory rifled barrel loaded with the Dixie Slugs Terminator is in effect an ultra-bore rifle on a shotgun frame!

If you are talking about a 12 bore rifle, throwing a hard .73 caliber bullet, then you are talking about a Grizzly stopper!

 

[rcmodel]

Or a Brenekke slug.

They don't flatten out like a Forster slug.

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[RMc]

"Or a Brenekke slug.

They don't flatten out like a Forster slug."

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Without knocking other shotgun slug ammunition, remember no swaged lead shotgun slug can out penetrate one made of Hard Cast Heat Treated lead alloy. The Dixie Terminator measures 30+ on the Brinnell Hardness scale. In short range testing I have seen this big 730 grain bullet penetrate as deeply into test mediums as the .416 Rigby 400 grain Federal Partition factory load while blowing a bigger hole!

A handy and inexpensive Remington 870 Express with a rifled barrel, when combined with the Dixie Terminator, becomes an ultra-bore .73 caliber stopping rifle. That is a real bargain!

RMc

 

[Sinixstar]

hmm - i don't know. All this talk about slugs being useless is kind of... i don't know. Don't put much stock in opinions. If I saw some actual evidence - as in, somebody going out and doing some real testing on it - i might believe it.

Oh wait, somebody did...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

actually - this one is the most telling.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot5.htm

.44mag bounced off. 9mm and .45acp barely made a mark.
an AR or a FAL will put a nice clean hole in the lock, but the 12ga completely obliterated the thing. Literally blew it to pieces.

 

[RMc]

I tested the Terminator against the Bone Box!

Ole' Dixie vs The Bone Box

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=39309

 

[wnycollector]

RMc do you know how the dixie slugs work in smoothbore cyl bore guns?

 

[Sinixstar]

RMc do you know how the dixie slugs work in smoothbore cyl bore guns?

They don't appear to be rifled, which would be a negatory.
They're going to be much harder then your average soft lead rifled slug as well - which means shooting them out of anything with any kind of choke is probably going to be the best idea.

They're designed for rifled slug barrels, period.

 

[wnycollector]

I looks like Brenekke slugs would get the nod for smoothbores.

 

[monkyboy1975]

Yes the brennekes work excellent in smoothbores, my 870 loves them!

 

[Big Daddy Grim]

I have taken bears with a shotgun one outside my house trying to get in and in two cases I stopped them dead with "0" buck. The last I took with a slug.

 

[ChemicalArts]

Currently, there are about 1,100 grizzly bears in the continental US. There are substantially more in Alaska and parts of Canada, but the odds of running across a grizzly bear in the lower 48 is pretty rare these days.

I would recommend that you don't shoot the bear unless you are in immenent threat of being attacked. Much like the conflicts between humans, the best resolution is one that doesn't involve shots fired.

By all means, protect yourself from the bear, but remember that as far as he's concerned, you are trespassing on his land. It's better to leave him be if at all possible.

 

[RMc]

Dixie Terminator and Tusker in smoothbore shotguns?

wnycollector

"RMc do you know how the dixie slugs work in smoothbore cyl bore guns?"

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Smoothbore shotgun barrels are all over the map in bore diameter!

That is why foster slugs are soft lead thimbles and Brenneke slugs have relatively soft rifled vanes. Both types of slugs are designed to swage down to pass through differing bore diameters and chokes.

The Dixie Slugs Terminator fires a 730 grain, .730 diameter hard cast (heat treated to 30+ BHN) flat base bullet at 1200fps from a 20 inch rifled barrel.

The Dixie Slugs Tusker fires a 600 grain, .727 hard cast (heat treated to 30+ BHN) hollow base bullet at 1550fps from a 20 inch rifled barrel.

Both are designed for rifled barrels only!

The Dixie Slugs Tri-Ball II buckshot 3" round fires three hard cast 315 grain .60 caliber balls at 1100fps from a 20 inch smoothbore barrel.
This load is designed for the choked smoothbore and patterns best with chokes ranging from .675 to .695 exit diameters. Yes it is buckshot.

Patterns at 40 yards from a 26" 870 Express with a Briley .695 extended choke tube consistently pattern under 4 inches for me. My 870 Express places this load to point of aim with just the bead & vent rib for sights.

Regardless of your choice of load, make sure it is an informed choice!