12 Ga. slugs vs. trucks

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Does anyone here know how well a 12 ga. shotgun slug would fare if one had to shoot at the front of a pick-up truck or SUV? Would the slug pierce the radiator or engine block within 25 yards? A Nissan Pathfinder or similar Toyota or maybe a Ford F-100 would be typical.

I'm guessing it'd be more productive to shoot at the windshield if a cop had to stop such a vehicle.
 
well, a slug would certianly mess up a radiator,and maybe more if you got lucky and hit the timing gearset ,or some other vital part,but a pickup,or suv can go a long way with a hole in the radiator ,and you may be surprised how far an engine with a hole in the block can go,so to stop a rig in a hurry I would say go for the operator. Others who have had training can probably give better info
 
I remember years ago watching a video of some tests where they were trying to see which handgun calibers would reliably penetrate a car door. Even when they got to the .44 mag, it failed often by hitting the window mechanism. They put some cardboard inside the car to see which penetrated to it. They tried a .12 ga. slug, and it not only penetrated the door, it went through the seat and out the other door. It sort of stuck in my mind as I thought that was pretty impressive.
 
Slugs have a lot of weight and momentum on their side, and will penetrate many things quite impressively. They'll blow through 3/8" soft steel, maybe more.

They'll go through a radiator like poop through a goose, but would have to hit an engine block just right with all the stuff in the way and irregular shapes in the block.

As posted, even if you penetrated the block, it might not stop the engine right away.

I seriously doubt I will ever have to stop a vehicle, or that if I needed to I would have a shotgun loaded with slugs at the time, but if I did, I think I would put a couple through the grill and see what happened, then go after the driver if need be, if I'm ever attacked by a Nissan or a Ford that is.
 
From personal experience shooting junkers:

1-oz 12-ga slug (I like Winchester and Remington) fired from a 18.5" double barrel coach gun will breeze right through the grille, header panel, condenser, radiator and it hardly notices it.

On a 85 Chevy truck, it did embed itself into the timing cover of a small block Chevrolet V8. It will break the water pump housing if you hit it. Afterwards the motor still ran as well as it did before (Since it was getting junked, not well, but that had nothing to do with the slugs.)

Tests with a 3800-V6 Pontiac Bonneville showed the slug goes right through all of the above, through the plastic valve cover and into the intake manifold.
At another angle it did destroy the coil pack assembly just above the alternator (which would stop the engine). In this case the motor was seized before I started shooting it so I don't know if the slug in the intake would have done anything but make a massive vacuum leak.

Similar testing with a 1988 Toyota 4x4 V6 truck had the slug blow right into the timing cover and water pump without any trouble and wreck the timing belt. This did shut the motor down immediately. The second slug shot the distributor right off the cylinder head.

IN all three cases I was deliberately trying to inflict damage to the vehicle to simulate a "roadblocking" sort of situation. Firing was done at about 10 yards maximum. All vehicles were rusted out junk I was taking in for scrap anyway.

Bear in mind that even with the motor disabled the car would still be rolling.

I also did some tests involving windshield penetration- in all three vehicles the slugs were fired from about six feet in front of the car, penetrated the windshield, deflected slightly, and continued through the drivers' seat.

The Chevy pickup, the slug went through the back wall of the cab, through the front of the bed, through the bed floor, and into the ground.

The Pontiac Bonneville, the slug went through the front and rear seats and embedded in the spare tire in the trunk.

The Toyota truck, the slug went through everything and hit a frame rail and splattered.

All three vehicles, the slug went through the driver door, through the passenger door, and out into the woods. Exit hole was big enough to put three fingers into.

I did some similar testing with regular #8 shot 1-oz loads, and at about 10 yards the shot does not penetrate an automotive sheet metal panel (like a door or hood) but it will dent the heck out of it and scour away the paint. When standing within 3 feet of the panel it does make a fist-sized hole but doesn't do more than make a spatter on the seat inside.

My scrap dealer wants fuel tanks drained before you bring them in, and my personal method involves my 19" barrel H&R Topper 158, a 1-oz deer slug is fired from above through the floor of the car and into and through the fuel tank. The hole is usually a largish puckered rip that quickly empties the fuel tank. 2-3 of these holes ensure that there is no fuel residue left to the satisfaction of the scrap dealer. IN some case the fuel tank straps are severed by the slug and this makes it easy to remove the tank. Filing the tank with water before shooting it also makes a bigger deformation and can blow the entire bottom out of the tank.
 
evan,

Thank you for sharing your experience, it is quite enlightening. Is there no danger of fire or explosion when firing a slug through the gas tank containing gas? Hollywood brought me to believe such a thing. :)
 
evan,

Thank you for sharing your experience, it is quite enlightening. Is there no danger of fire or explosion when firing a slug through the gas tank containing gas? Hollywood brought me to believe such a thing. :)
If you can puncture the gas tank and get a spark you might get an explosion. Thing is, Hollywood notwithstanding, non ferrous metals don't generally make a spark. That usually takes flint and steel type ignition means in similar fashion to Zippo lighters, flintlock guns and such. Not saying it can't happen, but the likelihood is pretty small. Like a skydiver surviving a 5,000' fall with a failed parachute. Happens, but pretty rare.
 
I would go for the driver vs the engine. An oncoming truck isn't going to be stopped with any amount of slugs inside of shotgun range. Besides, you don't want to be out of ammo when the driver stops.
 
While a slug will go through much of most vehicles, a steel wheel will stop it. A shot or two straight into the front a rear wheel drive car will easily pass through the radiator, probably take out the water pump and/or the timing mechanism. Front wheel drive car, the engine is sideways, if your lucky, might take out the upper valve train on the top of the engine. I bit lower, just the exhaust manifold. Take the driver out, that'll work
 
I've shot a gas can that had the fumes on fire from the spout with a slug, it put the fire out. I don't think it would spark a vehicle fuel tank.
 
If a cop had to stop such a vehicle, he wouldn't even try.
The right slug from 25 yards might crack the block, but that's all. Nothing will stop roughly a ton or more in its tracks. Shooting the driver will leave an uncontrolled one ton projectile. Ditto for just stopping the engine or lighting the thing on fire. Assuming that was not just Hollywood.
 
Why would you want to shoot a poor defenseless truck or SUV? I know there's a lot of them but they aren't a invasive species are they ?
 
Hollywood makes it look easy to ignite a gas tank, I found it was very difficult to accomplish this even with a tracers.

Years ago a friend dumped a couple gallons of gas into a 55 gal drum, capped it, let it sit in the Arizona sun for a while to get good and hot, thus expand the gas fumes.

I hit it with a couple bursts from a BAR with tracer rounds, but nothing happened. Then shot it with a standard high powered rifle round, that did nothing. Then finally after another 5 or 6 bursts with the BAR with tracers, it ignited.

Our conclusion was that after we punched a bunch of holes in it, the air mixture was finally appropriate for a spark from the tracers to ignite the gas fumes. But when it ignited it produced a pretty good burst of flames, not really an explosion though, just a good flash ignition. About what you would get if you poured 2 gals. of gas on the ground, then tossed a match on it.

GS
 
Your best shot is taking out the timing, ignition or crank. All are much more chancy than just shooting the driver. I've seen a couple diesel motors run until shut off with holes in the block from a failed piston and rod.
 
Stop

So, in summary, you are not going to stop a truck with a shotgun slug in any case - either by shooting the engine or the driver.
You are gonna need an A-10.
Pete
 
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