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12 gauge vs trapdoor 45-70

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  1. Hog huntin Harry

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    Which would penatrate through thick skinned game and break bone better, a 1 ounce 12 gauge foster slug at 1600 fps or a 405 grain 45-70 at 1300 fps ?
     
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    I honestly don't have any experience with trapdoor, but plenty with the shotgun and .45-70. Of course you are very limited to very low pressure loads in the trapdoor, where with a 12 gauge I ask first...what length, and which projectile? Because of the variety of rounds available, given that information I would without hesitation go to the 12 gauge...not to mention likely being able to get a 2nd shot in quicker than manipulating the trap door.
     
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    I'd pick the 45-70
     
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    A proper for the job bullet in .45-70 vs a soft 12 gauge slug.
     
  5. Hog huntin Harry

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    A Winchester hollow point 2 3/4
     
  6. DocRock

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    A 405 grs lead bullet at 1300 fps will.kill buffalo. And it has. Plenty of buffalo were killed with surplus US Army trapdoor rifles and ammunition. Far, far better than a 12 ga foster slug which have a reputation for poor penetration on larger game. The 45-70 load will also be accurate and effective well beyond the range of a smoothbore with slugs.
     
  7. Hog huntin Harry

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    On a 400 pound black bear would I be at any real risk using a 2 3/4 hollow point slug ?
     
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    12 ga with slugs is highly regarded for bear in Alaska. IMHO you don't need a hollowpoint slug, you need penetration.
    .45-70 with proper loads has cleanly taken every species of bear in North America.
     
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    If you insist on using slugs, please do not use a foster slug. Brenekke or Rio hardcast brenekke slugs will penetrate far better.
     
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  10. H&Hhunter

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    The biggest risk here is finding a 400lb black bear to shoot. That’s a bruiser.
     
  11. Hog huntin Harry

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    What about say a 250 pound blackie ?
     
  12. Hog huntin Harry

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    I hope this thread doesn't turn into one of those wretched "bear threads"
     
  13. redneck2

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    Never really thought about it until now, but I’ve shot dozens and dozens, maybe 75-100 deer in my life and don’t think I’ve ever recovered a slug or bullet for that matter.
     
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  14. H&Hhunter

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    I promise you it won’t.
     
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