1851 Navy...........

[NobleSniper]

Have been looking at 1851 Navy revolvers. While I prefer to stay with Uberti I have also checked out cimmaron's website as well ( I guess they sell thru Texas Jacks). Has anyone ever had a Cimmaron '51 Navy? They are made by Uberti correct? Are they that much nicer than Ubertis as far as fit and finish? I can get a Uberti thru Buffalo Arms for around $270 where as the Cimmaron is about $315. What is the big difference between the two? Only other problem is deciding between the oval or squareback trigger guard

 

[rcflint]

I don't think there's $45 dollars of difference in quality, it could be the wholesale price originally paid, or the company overhead.... The squareback triggerguard is smaller in size than the oval (or should be if it's authentic in detail). My second gen Colt 51 has the smallest squareback triggerguard representing the first model Colts. (parts were made by Uberti), I can't get my thumb through it sideways. The Uberti brand squarebacks have a larger triggerguard, the Second Model model Colt, the last squarebacks, although I don't see reference to the original Colt second model being larger than the first model. My thumb will go through, touching the top and bottom and the round ithird model is about the same. The largest round guard is the Fourth Model and the steel guard on the London and the 61 Navy 4-screw, where I can put my thumb through without touching metal, this is also the size of the ring on the 1860 and the SAA. This is more information than you asked for. If you have fat fingers. the Colt 2nd gen squareback probably won't work for you. The regular Uberti square and round guards will be OK, though they are a bit smaller than the SAA.

The squareback is prettier, even though the squareback had nor practical purpose other than the preference of the Army Ordnance officer Col. Talcot. At the point where Col. Talcot was convicted in a Court Marshal and replaced, Colt immediately changed the triggerguards to round.

 

[madcratebuilder]

My second gen Colt 51 has the smallest squareback triggerguard representing the first model Colts. (parts were made by Uberti),

Uberti supplied the barrels and cylinders only on the 2nd gen 51's. I agree on the Dragoon trigger guard. It is small and can be uncomfortable if you have average to large hands. I have two Dragoon and one round guard 2nd gen 51's, the round guard is much more comfortable to shoot but not nearly as cool looking.

 

[Old Fuff]

Texas Jack is an Internet outlet that belongs to Cimmaron. In both cases they're Colt reproductions are made by Uberti. It is claimed that Cimmaron branded guns are more expensive then some others because they pay the manufacturer more to do additional hand fitting. They are also a first-class outfit to deal with if you have a problem. Texas Jack revolvers sold directly to consumers (where it's legal to do so) are less expensive, but may or may not have the extra work.

The prices listed on the Cimmaron website are suggested retail. As dealers can buy for less you might see if someone in your area with an FFL might be able to come close in matching the Texas Jack price.

Over time I have owned several Cimarron revolvers, both C&B and metallic cartridge. In all cases I have been satisfied. In 1851 Navy models I prefer the London model with an iron backstrap and trigger guard - simply because it is unnecessay to keep polishing brass all the time. Brass is fine if you don't see this as a problem. I would never buy a square-back if my intention was to shoot the gun.

 

[NobleSniper]

Would the square back '51 Navy be any different than shooting the Walker??

 

[Old Fuff]

Would the square back '51 Navy be any different than shooting the Walker??

Yes, in that the Walker has a larger handle and a bigger trigger guard. Think of the Navy as being a down-sized Walker (which it is).

 

[AdmiralB]

Texas Jacks is, as OF said, the retail arm of Cimarron. The prices for 'regular' guns listed on the TJ site are for regular Ubertis, not Cimarron rollmarked.

The Cimarron prices are 'retail'. If you want a Cimarron, go to Buffalo Arms, where you will find Cimarron-marked guns at regular Uberti prices.

 

[NobleSniper]

I was thinking of going with teh squareback triggerguard just because it looks like a Walker junior

 

[AdmiralB]

I'm partial to the London, myself. No brass, all blued steel.

 

[NobleSniper]

I am actually waiting on a good friend of mine to make a decision whether or not he wants to sell his original Londoan Navy. Its a numbers matching revolver and in pretty good shape as well. Another one of those I would love to have it deals

 

[tripe1917]

I am looking at a 1851 Navy purchases,too. I talked to Buffalo Arms and they say their guns are from Cimarron. The owner of Buffalo Arms sells them at a price just over what he pays for them. I also have bought a Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon for the listed catalogue price of $321.00 at S & S FireArms 2 months ago. The Navy Colts are listed as $256.00 for the 1851 and $266.00 for the 1861. They use Taylor's & Co. for their supplier and I am quite pleased with the service I received from S & S.

 

[Das Jaeger]

Don't rule out Dixie

Don't rule out Dixie Gun Works either for your 51's , they have a bunch , and a whole bunch of hysterically accurate ones too . They also have an on-site gunsmith if you have any problems with your purchases . Ummm free too .
I also agree the London is the most beautiful 51 made .
Here she is , before , and after pics of my work :

Uberti :


My Zebra Wood two piece grips :

Close up of my work :



Then there is the 51 Civillains they carry in the correct caliber , .36 of course .
Silver plated backstraps , beautiful guns , Pietta .
These are with my Fancy Black Walnut grips , consecutive seriel numbered .





These were only $225 each too , bargain .

Love the 51's , awsome Design , Samuel did good here !

Sincerely, Das Jaeger

 

[pohill]

Pietta (bottom), original (top)

 

[Tommygunn]

"Hysterically accurate," Das Jaeger? He he he.!

I know I know. I've made those kind of errors too! ;-)

REALLY nice guns!!!
I didn't know Pietta made 51s with silver plated backstraps and 'guards!

 

[Das Jaeger]

Yup Tommygun

Yup , Pietta makes all kinds of fun guns , many many many non-Hysterical accurate ones too . I think Uberti tries to keep things a bit more real , but WHO CARES , there Italian , how Hystericaly accurate is that anyway , LOL !
Pietta started producing the right caliber 51's Cilvilians last year , Dixie is the only place to get them . I can tell ya too , they are SMOOTH , nicely finished inside and out .
Thanks for the gun comments too , appreciate that , fun stuff shootin and buiilding these Reporoductions into fine shooters .

Sincerely, Das Jaeger

 

[scrat]

ok can i play

 

[Das Jaeger]

Now those are pUrdy Scrat !

Is that Buffalo horn on the 51 ?
I like that in the white on brass look , thats a new look for me ?
Hmmm , mind is spinnin, ideas a flowwin ! Here's another couple you might like too since were having picture day

Piettas 51 Wild Bill in .36 , customized by me heavilly , white framed , high pollished Blueing , Real Colt Rampant Inlays of Nickel Plate in grip ,Trigger job , action job , fine runnin gun here Scrat .




You'll either love these or hate um
More Pietta , right caliber .36 real Colt inlays again , haevilly tuned .



Wonder when the Remington picture war will begin ? I am sure to be one of the top participants , hee hee hee , love my Cap and Ballers .

Das Jaeger