1858 Rem at 15 yards

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Here's a pic of the group I shot tonight with my Uberti 58 Remington New Army repro.

I used 20 grains of fffg and .454 caliber round ball.

I got five in the white, and threw one low.

This was at 15 yards, using a two-handed standing position.

Boom.

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Damn good shootin there.

One day, one day, I will convince my other half that I have a dire need of a Remmie.. or.. i just order one and say that i've had it for ever and she just hasnt seen this one... nah.. that never works.
 
As for what it might do in a real gunfight, I shudder to think.

I do know that it goes BOOM in a really deep, loud satisfying fashion....Not at all like a modern pistol that goes "Crack" or "Bang."

The 58 Rem goes BOOM.

It also spits fire and obscures the target with grey smoke.

Just for giggles, as I got the end of my shooting session, I loaded up just one chamber with 35 grains of powder.

Then, I put two gallon milk jugs filled with water back-to-back, hoping they might slow the ball down enough for me to recover it from the surface of the dirt berm behind the target.

No such luck. That ball zipped right through both jugs, and splattered them both very well.

No sign of the ball in the dirt berm, either. It went too deep to dig out.

There's another recent thread up about a bp cap-and-ball pistol that put a pistol ball through 17 inches of solid oak.

Yee-haw, indeed.

hillbilly
 
Looks good, only one stringer. Jerked that one didn't ya? hehehe

20 grains? That group might open up a lot at 25.

I also heard rumors, mostly statements read here at THR that the remmies seem to really shoot best with 40 grains. But if you use tripple 7, drop back to 30-35
 
Beartracker regularly loaded 40 grains of Goex FFFg in his Remington while he was able to get real black powder. He said his pistol seemed to really like that loading as far as accuracy went. I really haven't tried that out, myself. Mine shoots so good with 30 grains of FFFg I don't think accuracy can be improved much if any. I don't know about 17 inches of oak but my 30 grain charge put a .451 ball through the skull, neck and into the innards of a hog, a distance of about that, or maybe more. The ball never exited, was somewhere in the innards and I didn't find it.

Steve
 
Nah, don't believe I did, anyway. There was a well defined wound channel until the ball came through the inside top of the neck into the throat area where the esophagus and trachea are. I guess it got into one of those and wound up in the stomach or lungs. I had already gotten rid of the innards before my search for the ball started. Assuming it was spent when it broke through into whichever one of those it travelled along, it still had penetrated14-16 inches of bone and meat. Not bad for a target load, huh?

Steve
 
Just consider that it was only 30gr of powder and it penetrated one of those hard skulls.

Shame on those folks who call our guns "toys", and think that some how its all "funny" that we dare to explore the basics.
 
Beartracker regularly loaded 40 grains of Goex FFFg in his Remington while he was able to get real black powder. He said his pistol seemed to really like that loading as far as accuracy went.
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I've fired mine with 40gr fffg and I like it. The gun also seems to like heavier loads for better accuracy. Only problem is that I can't use an over powder wad with 40gr, and if I charge all the cylinders I jar the powder out seating the balls. So in order to shoot 40gr I have to charge 1 cylinder at a time, put cylinder in gun, seat ball, take cylinder out of gun, and repeat 5 times.
 
Eagle24, there's a thread either here or on The Firing Line where Beartracker (Remington Kid over there) shows how he loads 40 grains, a felt wad and a ball, too! He charges all the chambers, seats a wad to hold the powder in, puts the cylinder in the gun and seats the balls with the rammer. It won't work with conicals and a wad, not enough room, but a round ball fits, just.

Steve
 
The 17" of oak is a reality... I didnt think that it was possible, but, I was filming it... and you can see the ball entry and exit (well.. you see it move the cardboard in front of the log, and then blast some wood out of the back).
Check it out here. Twas a 44 ball from an 1860 with 35gr Pyrodex P.

I have loosed an arrow from a 75# bow straight on at a hog from 5 yards where it was bedded. The arrow just bounced off its forehead. 5 seconds later I was up a tree! Those hogs have skulls of steel.

Nice shootin with that Remmie!
 
I've fired mine with 40gr fffg and I like it. The gun also seems to like heavier loads for better accuracy. Only problem is that I can't use an over powder wad with 40gr, and if I charge all the cylinders I jar the powder out seating the balls. So in order to shoot 40gr I have to charge 1 cylinder at a time, put cylinder in gun, seat ball, take cylinder out of gun, and repeat 5 times.
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Eagle,
I can't remember, are you using goex? I've found that pyrodex p will compress more than goex and if you use the rammer to precompress the powder before you seat the wad you'll have more room for wad and ball. I like the 40gr load and keep at least one cylinder loaded that way all the time.
 
28 Grain Pyrodex P 966
28 Grain Goex FFFG 795
28 Grain Swiss FFFG 959
35 Grain Swiss FFFG 1089
40 Grains Swiss FFFG 1104
40 Grains Pyrodex P 1125
.454 ball- Uberti 58
 
mec,
Thanks for the chrono work!

Here's some additional info: wikipedia lists supersonic speed as 1087 feet per second...three loads averaging faster than the speed of sound! :D
 
The grade school I went to taught us that it was 1120fps at sea level. I've heard both numbers though. Sometimes, rounds over the chronograph within a few fps of each other in this velocity range will sound a lot different. super sonic crack for some and not for those just under the threshold.

This Uberti is a "fast" gun compared to bates' pietta 58 and my uberti 60 army.
 
Even with earplugs in, I can tell that my 40gr shots sound a lot different than my 30gr target loads. I figured most of the 40 grainers were going supersonic as most of them have a nice "crack" to them.

From what I've read on here, the Uberti's have .449 chambers and .446 bores on average and I've seen where the Piettas are supposed to have .446 chamber and bore. I've chamfered my chambers so they no longer shave a ring of lead but rather they squeeze the ball when I seat it. I don't have a mic so I can't measure the actual diameter but I can tell that I get more "crack" shots from the 40gr load than I did before I chamfered the chambers.
 
Frettin Over Expansion

All this penetration and someone or another was frettin over the new bullets overexpanding&underpenetrating.

Really, we DO have it great! Our arms kinda DO IT ALL, and testin i've done, (And tha 'smith) h.p. versions give ya best of both worlds.
 
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