1860 Army vs ROA vs Remington

[Crawdad1]

Me and few buddies went out to shoot as I got my 1860 Army back. I installed a new hammer on it and cut the 'V" notch in the new hammer and wanted to get use to the new sight picture. All shots were taken a 25 yards, barrel resting on sand bags, two hand hold.

The first target is mine using 25 grains of GOEx 3Fg, 1 Ox Yoke wonder wad and a 454 round ball.

The second target is the ROA using 30 grains of GOEx 3Fg one Ox Yoke wonder wad and a 457 round ball.

The third target is the Remington using 27 1/2 to 35 grains of GOEx 3Fg, one or two Ox Yoke wonder wads and either a 454 or 457 round ball. We kept changing the load on the Remington as it was shooting so badly. He went through a couple of targets but this was his best one. Something ain't right with that Remington.


When we got home we tried to find out what was the problem with the Remington so we pushed a 457 ball through the barrel on the Remington and tried to put that ball in the chambers. No way. The ball was so big even after being pushed through the barrel that you had to use the loading lever to compress it in the chambers.

 

[Crawdad1]

Here is my 1860 Army with her new Elk grips on it. This guy does fantastic work.


http://www.chiselandplaneworkshop.com/

 

[red rick]

Very nice looking and shooting 1860 .

 

[4v50 Gary]

Your 1860 shoots well - very well.

 

[rodwha]

Nice indeed!

Is the Remington a Pietta? Newer/older model? Do he chambers line up properly with the barrel?

 

[RMc]

Try Cap Guards...

...on that 1860 replica and cap jams will be eliminated!



http://www.rmcoxyoke.com/inc/sdetail/cap_guards/10245/189

 

[bannockburn]

Crawdad1

Your Model 1860 not only shoots great it looks great too with those Elk grips on it!

 

[Hellgate]

You need to ream out the chambers on that Remington to match the barrel and she'll shoot fine.

 

[Crawdad1]

A big thank you guys, she's a keeper that's for sure. I had a Second Generation '51 Navy that I bought back in '77 that shot this well. I stupidly turned around and traded it in on a flintlock rifle.

Rodwha, It's a Pietta that he bought off of Gunbroker at a very good price. It has a date code stamp of 2012. Pretty bad ain't it??


Hellgate, He asked me about what can be done and I said that I don't know but those chamber walls are already pretty thin. I couldn't believe how overbored the barrel was or how underbored the chambers were on his Remington. Sloppy factory work.

 

[rodwha]

I wasn't having accuracy issues but didn't like the .446" chambers with a .452" groove so Fly reamed my chambers to .449" which makes me feel better about using my .456" bullets in both my Reminton and Ruger, though I wouldn't mind having slightly larger chambers but, like you, I'm hesitant as those chamber walls just aren't that thick. I don't feel I'm stressing the loading lever assembly as it is. I don't use max loads anyway as 30 grns of 3F Olde E or T7 gives me pretty good groups (I haven't tried less than 25 as I want it to be useful for more than just poking holes in paper and figure I'm getting standard .45 ACP performance). One of these days I'll try marking my adjustable rifle powder measure in 5 grn increments so that I can better estimate 2.5 grns and try 27.5 and 32.5 grns.

 

[Crawdad1]

(I haven't tried less than 25 as I want it to be useful for more than just poking holes in paper and figure I'm getting standard .45 ACP performance). One of these days I'll try marking my adjustable rifle powder measure in 5 grn increments so that I can better estimate 2.5 grns and try 27.5 and 32.5 grns.

I agree, and using the regular GOEx powder energy is usually on the low side especially when using a 454 round ball that weighs in at 141 or so grains. Its only when you use the more powerful powders such as Olde Enysford or Swiss and Trip 7 that you see the energy figures increasing to a more suitable or desirable hunting load.

To combat that I use my black powder loading for target practice, range work and varmint hunting during the summer. For anything bigger I go to the conversion where the bullet is ranging from 180 to 200 grains. That is the beauty of these things!!!

 

[rodwha]

"To combat that I use my black powder loading for target practice, range work and varmint hunting during the summer. For anything bigger I go to the conversion where the bullet is ranging from 180 to 200 grains. That is the beauty of these things!!!"

It is indeed a great thing about these arms. You literally get to load what you want at the moment of need/desire. I'm not concerned with conversion cylinders though. With the cowboy loads needs I think one could do much better in cap n ball mode. I figure I'm in the standard .45 ACP power range with my Remington and strong .45 Colt (up to 500 ft/lbs) in my Ruger without using max loads.