1911 Buyers Have Got it MADE These Days.

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45Auto said:

Honestly though, that Sig has to be one of the uglist 1911s I have ever seen
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Man am I glad somebody else noticed that! I figgered that if I said it,
I'd get smacked too...

*Thwap* owwwwww...
 
The real reliability issue.

Perhaps it is us to blame for the feeding problems in the 1911 pattern pistols.

If I decided to produce and market a custom tuned exhaust manifold for my Jeep Cherokee that didn't work unless the motor was modified whoul;d that be Jeep's (Chrysler's) fault? Of would it be mine?

Let's face the simple truth that there wasn't much bullet selection in 1911. ALL semi-automatic pistol ammunition back then used a metal jacketed or at least a metal pointed bullet.

It was quite a long time before hollow point bullets were introduced in handgun ammunition. A good example is the Speer 200gr JHP commonly called the "Flying Ashtray". In some guns it fed and in some it didn't. Whose fault is it? Colt for not feeding it reliably or Speer for designing and selling a bullet that didn't feed? I recall many articles, back when gun magazines were worth reading cover to cover, recommending carrying a Speer in the chamber and a magazine full of Remington 185gr JHP. Now the Remingtons didn't expand as consistantly as the Speer but they fed like crazy.

But people wanted that Speer. That big cavity was, and still is impressive. People were determined to alter the gun to make it feed. So Speer didn't have to spend the money to redesign the bullet. And why should they? People were buying them like popcorn both loaded and as components. And then going to all of the troube, time and money to adapt the pistol to the ammunition when it should have been the other way around.

As we should all know by now, you can design a bullet that will feed reliably and yet still expand consistently. But there are still bullet designs out there that don't feed 100% and there are still people modifying their guns to adapt.
The manufacturers are trying to design pistols that will feed everything availabe and everything that still may yet be concieved because they know if they don't someone will be on an internet forum somewhere pissing and moaning because it doesn't work.


So whose fault is it really?
 
Yes, it's true. "They just don't build 'em like they used to." I'm just curious. If they did build 'em like they used to, could we , the working people, afford them? My Kimber has worked fine for several thousand rounds (I bought it used so I have no idea how many rnds went thru it before I bought it.) I paid $700.00 for it. Would a 1911 built to spec (polished where it's supposed to be polished, hardened where it's supposed to hardened.etc) cost more than most people could afford? Any thoughts?
 
4 and 1/4 inches

I like my 1911's in Commander size. Why don't Kimber and Springfield make one? 4-1/4" barrels look good, but four-inch barrels, like the Kimber and Springfield offerings, are stubby. Why would they sell four-inchers, instead of just sticking with the already established Colt-Commander barrel length?

End Rant.
 
Would a 1911 built to spec (polished where it's supposed to be polished, hardened where it's supposed to hardened.etc) cost more than most people could afford?
NO!!! The manufactors would have to lower their profit margins that they have inflated by using the cheaper parts and cutting out the labor in production. Every penny saved goes into the profit and the market price rises every year. If those cost savings efforts were passed on to the consumer the pistols would be coming down in price instead of rising. So we are already paying a higher price for the product. They can afford to produce it correctly.
 
There is no doubt that overall, costs have gone up because of higher liability insurance premiums and increased employee wages. However what Majic said may not be entirely incorrect. I can't help but notice that, despite the cheaper plastic parts found in current Beretta 92 pistols (trigger, guide rod, safety lever, etc.) their prices sure haven't gone down from only a few years ago when they were using all-metal components.
 
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