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Constantine-p89 said:
I have the movie and it tells a sad story of the two FBI agents that died that day…If you dont own the movie I would recomend you try to find it, it's called: In The Line Of Duty The FBI Murders.
You're kidding, right?
That "movie," actually an NBC teleflick, was an abominable work of fiction, and needs to be viewed, if one has the stomach for it, with a
v-e-r-y critical eye.
If there's any one "movie" upon which to rely, it's the FBI's own recreation and debriefing of the surviving agents, some of whom are no longer with us: it's called "
Firefight," and even it is somewhat factually skewed (understandably).
XD-40 Shooter said:
…none of the agents had RIFLE rated vest's, I believe two or three of them were wearing PISTOL rated vest's. The .223 rounds punched right through them.
Whatever vests
were there, were not even being fully worn. Nor do I believe that and on Michael Platt's rounds struck, much less perforated whatever vests had been hastily thrown on.
perpster said:
IIRC, the gunfight finally ended when Moralez (sp) used a 5-shot Chief revolver to kill Platt at less than 7 yds.
You don't RC in the slightest. But don't feel like the Long Ranger, neither does "dodging230grainers." (For his part, the recollections of "macadore" are far more accurate.)
Wolfgang2K said:
The 86 FBI shoot out is most probably the most studied shootout since the OK Corral. This incident probably changed or made more "policy" than any other incident.
Now why does
that sound familiar?
I'm please that some here recognize the skill and dedication and, thank you, Jeff Cooper!, mindset that Matix and especially Platt brought to the encounter. They not only had military training… MP, Ranger, 101st Airborne… but of their own volition they practiced regularly and extensively. Less than two weeks before the firefight in Kendell, they'd purchased 5k rounds of .223 Remington, and since none of it was ever recovered from either of their homes or their "stash garage," the assumption has always been that they burned it off shooting in the Everglades, their favorite practice range (and killing ground when they ran across other target shooters and plinkers).
And since others here have referenced the heavily-televised-in-real-time 1997 North Hollywood back take-down, I'd note that had either of those two goofs, Phillips or Matasereanu, has any of the training that Platt and Matix gained in the military, and spent half as much time as the Florida pair did practicing instead of watching the bank robbery scene in Michael Mann's
Heat, a lot of LAPD would've died that day!
Dodson's fussing about Ayoob's original article is an intellectual dishonest exercise in sucking up to Fackler and the IWBA, which organization, as Shawn subsequently learned to his detriment, routinely ate its own. My biggest problem with Mas' excellent narrative, based on what was known at the time he wrote it, was that he misspelled SA Gil Orrantia's name throughout… but then so did another high profile author who has posted in this very thread.
For my part, I defer to a raw two-hour vidoetaped debriefing by lead crime scene investigator Sgt. David Rivers and Dr. Anderson's excruciatingly detailed forensic recreation of the event… it was sufficiently well-done that the Metro-Dade ME signed off on a revision to his own 1986 report.
FWIW: Mas' long-overdue
response to Dodson may be read here.
