1986 FBI Miami Shootout?

[Roswell 1847]

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Originally Posted by evan price
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/shooting.htm

this document appears to be heavily redacted. whassup with dat?

They don't want us to know that They really do have Aliens at Roswell?

Silly rumors of course there are no Aliens at Roswell.
Now look into the red light, thats better now isn't it.

Repeat after me
There are no such thing as Aliens. There are no such thing as Aliens. There are no such thing as Aliens.

Thank you. This has been a public service message, we will now resume our regular programing.

 

[massad ayoob]

Apology respectfully accepted, Scorpiusdeus.

 

[Dean Speir]

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Dean, did the eight agents who were in the fight have any additional weapons they didn't deploy? Long guns or submachine guns? I've always wondered what was in the trunks of those cars and never got used

There was another Model 870 in the rear of SAC McNeill's vehicle, but it never got into action.

It was much less about hardware, than the software… Platt (especially Platt!) and Matix had it, only Mireles displayed it for the FBI.

One of the most telling comments was by McNeill about how his own confidence evaporated after he'd fired his six rounds, and realized that the fight was still going on above and around him.

If you go thru that FBI foia I believe you will find at least one FIB car had an AR15 aboard, probably in trunk.

Read more carefully.

…a battle that continues between Mr Ayoob and Mr Dodson…

A "battle?" I don't think so… Mr. Dodson had attacked Mas with impunity for seven or eight years… the IWBA-despised "gunwriting cadre" represented by Mr. Ayoob, retired DPD Detective Evan Marshall and Dep'ty Edwin Sanow were to be assailed and discredited at every opportunity, though at least two of them did not deserve the opprobrium the Fackler factotums heaped upon them.

Then, after several years of my goading Mas and calling him every name in the book except "a WASP," he finally came on-line when he realized that Internet activity wasn't going to cause his gonads to shrivel and disappear, and he's been able to answer these attacks for himself. Most of his adversaries have faded into the background… it's not much fun for them anymore when your target counters with a couple of short shots to the snot-locker.

Sig P226 ST .40S&W
Sig P226 ST Reverse TT .40 S&W
Sig P239 .40S&W
Sig P228 9mm
Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum
SA XD .40 S&W 5"
Remington 870 12Ga
SA M1A

Is that it?!?

Or is that just what you've acquired this month?

Oops… I see that Br'er Ayoob has now responded.

 

[Scorpiusdeus]

Is that it?!?

Or is that just what you've acquired this month?

Oh you cruel beast you. I was under the brutal dictatorship of a "spouse". Now that I'm a year free, I'm building up my armament. With my primary, cherished, and honored duties as a single father, I have enough trouble finding time to shoot what I have now. I'm more of a shooter than a collector. Give me time.

 

[ilbob]

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/shooting.htm

this document appears to be heavily redacted. whassup with dat?

some of it appears to be names and information about third parties, which seems legit. sometimes they appear to have redacted agents names that were not directly associated with the incident. i don't quite understand why they did that.

since there is no way to know what was redacted, it is fair to suggest they did not want to release that particular tidbit, and not much more. there are a lot of exceptions to the FOIA and the feds use them a lot. it is hard to fight them on this since they know what is there and will claim it is covered by an exemption, but you have no way of knowing if it really is or not. there are notations next to most of the redactions that indicate what exception they are claiming.

having said that, foia requested documents often have large sections redacted that are not covered in the exemptions, but it is often hard to prove, and there is no penalty for them lying about what they redacted.

some, maybe even most of the redactions are probably legit. most foia request documents look about like this.

 

[Dean Speir]

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some of it appears to be names and information about third parties, which seems legit. sometimes they appear to have redacted agents names that were not directly associated with the incident. i don't quite understand why they did that.

Threre has been an on-going study of this event, the importance of which in the annals of not just the FBI but all of law enforcement, cannot be over-emphasized. It's not only a fascinating narrative for its own sake, but so much can be learned in examining the events leading up to the confrontation in Kendell (now Pinecrest) as well: Platt's and Matix's time and training in the service, their off-the-grid lives in the Cincinnati area before relocating to South Florida… not the least of which is their apparently successful Strangers on a Train strategy of disintangling themselves from their prior marriages… their church-going "cover lives" in Dade County, and the series of robberies which can be directly traced to them as well as their other crimes out in the Everglades.

In studying the details of just the payroll robberies, it is apparent that not all the participants were taken down on 11 April 1986, and while anyone who's followed this case for more than "who was carrying what gun," has a pretty good idea of who the "third man in" was, no case could be made. I don't think anything was ever even put before a Grand Jury.

Remarkably, that suspect seems to have kept out of trouble since then.