1st person arrested under New York's new SAFE Act

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This all smell weirds to me. An AR-15, AR-10 a bunch of mags and 600 rounds for $1900 and the guy is released on his own recognizance? Was the guy that bad of a business man or is this just an off broadway production presented by New York?
 
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Isn't it illegal to knowingly sell any gun to a felon anywhere in the country?
I think the SAFE act part is that the gun he sold was an 'assault weapon'.
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Either way.... by citing the SAFE act, Bloommy can claim that his laws are working.
 
Sounds like this guy was set up. Sure, he's stupid is as stupid does, but it is like the cops saw a sucker and he went for the bait. I doubt it rises to the level of entrapment, but it just seems like a bit too staged to me.
 
Funny how the facts have changed since I last looked into this thread. If he sold to someone who claimed to be a felon, then he got what he had coming to him.
 
Yes, it is being billed as a 1st arrest under NY SAFE but...

This is not really a SAFE act case boys and girls even though an AR-15 and AR-10 were involved.

This is selling to an undercover posing as a felon case, which was illegal under previous federal and state laws.

You don't win civil rights for the law abiding by defending Stagga Lee; you win civil rights for the law abiding by defending Rosa Parks. That's the way the court of public opinion works.

That is why it took two squeaky clean cases, Heller and MacDonald, to get clear cases on 2A. The previous unclear 2A cases, Miller and Emerson, were a moonshiner and a domestic violence defendant repectively.

You can defend 1A rights with Larry Flynt as a defendent. To win 2A rights, you need a defendent who has dirty feet because he can walk on water.
 
During the investigation, prosecutors say, the undercover officer told Wassell that he or she was a convicted felon. Under the SAFE Act, it is illegal to sell an AR-10 to a felon.

Prosecutors said they have an audio recording of Wassell allegedly telling the investigator, "this whole felony banned for life thing, it's stupid."
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It was a felony to sell any modern firearm to someone you had reason to believe was a felon before the SAFE Act, so claims that his arrest is related to the SAFE Act is pure propaganda from the Antis.

We should be debunking their claims and not trying to defend this guy.
 
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there is a book called 3 felonies a day that is how many you commit without knowing it.you can have felony dwi or other ones not related at all to violent crime.I am really sick and tired of hearing from gun owners that only law abiding people should have guns. I missed that in the 2nd amendment. by giving in to the antis with this law abiding drivel we have opened ourselves up for them to expand what law abiding is and expand it they will as they will increase and add to the definition of someone not meeting the mental health requirements. with 50000 new laws passed each year no one will be "law abiding"
 
And of course the anti-gun politicians in NY aren't done yet (from GunAction.com)...




(GunAuction.com) — New York lawmaker Linda B. Rosenthal want to prevent kids under 12 from going to gun shows in the state, and she’s introduced a bill to accomplish that.



A March 14 tweet from Rosenthal (@LindaBRosenthal) said, “I just intro'd bill to prevent kids under 12 from going to gun shows. Kudos to @AGSchneiderman for agreement on Model Gun Show Procedures.” She’s a New York State Assemblymember (D/WF, Upper West Side).



So, in the Gun Ban State, it might soon be a crime to show 11-year-olds how firearms can be displayed safely and purchased by law-abiding citizens.



Obviously, what Rosenthal is trying to do is ensure that the tradition of firearms ownership can’t be passed on to the next generation, and that the safe and lawful use of firearms becomes a crime one step at a time.
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Many, many years ago, while repainting a room in the house we had just bought, my wife found an old semi auto, I believe it was 32 caliber or the metric equivalent. At the time I did not want to keep it so I went to several gun stores, none of whom were interested in buying it. So I placed an ad in the local paper, and sold it for what I was asking to the first person who called. He paid cash, never gave me his name or any other information, and I never asked. I never even thought that what I was doing might be illegal. It was just a private sale, much like selling an old lawnmower or chest of drawers, etc. Things have sure changed, especially in some parts of the country.
 
Selling to a person who admitted he was a felon. I'm at a loss for words here. Flummoxed.

Even though this was a sting, this guy needs to be educated. Perhaps after being convicted of a felony or two, and labeled a prohibited person, with some time possibly attached, he will have learned something.

As much as I abhor NY's new firearms laws, this guy knew selling to an admitted felon was wrong.
 
> Selling to a person who admitted he was a felon.

Selling to a person who CLAIMED he was a felon. Not the same thing.

And, given the buyer's occupation, probably WASN'T a felon.
 
Hah!

As far as I am concerned, anyone who knowingly sells a firearm to a self-confessed convicted felon can do as much time in jail as the state will allow.

See you in 10 years, imbecile!
 
It doesn't matter if the leo isn't a felon. Unless the facts are not straight, the seller was told from the buyer he was a convicted felon. Intent to sell to convicted felon + overt action of completing the sale = guilty. This is no different than doing an undercover drug buy and would be a crime without the SAFE act.

I do not know, but I bet SAFE appropriated some language from previous laws to include selling firearms to people you believed are convicted felons. So yeah, it probably does involve SAFE, however, this doesn't prove anything for SAFE. Unfortunately, those facts will not be distributed to the masses.
 
It doesn't matter if the leo isn't a felon. Unless the facts are not straight, the seller was told from the buyer he was a convicted felon. Intent to sell to convicted felon + overt action of completing the sale = guilty. This is no different than doing an undercover drug buy and would be a crime without the SAFE act.
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+1. I've never heard of it being an affirmative defense in contract murder cases that the undercover "hitman" wasn't actually a killer for hire.

Barring additional issues to this story that are not being reported yet, this guy deserves what he has coming down the judicial pipeline to him. Rallying to the defense of a guy who provides plenty of propaganda boost for Universal Background Checks is a a losing proposition for our side.
 
I saw a thread on another forum that went through this same scenario, except he refused the sale, they kept increasing the price, he kept refusing, and they arrested him and released him (and the rifle) after a few hours.

Maybe that was outside Chicago? Regardless, it's interesting that the same sorts of stings are happening now.
 
look up the book three felonies a day. that is what you can commit in a day going about your normal business. a federal prosecuter at will can pull you off the street and have you indicted by lunch time. by that definition we are all felons
 
The funny thing is that every single person posting on this forum has probably committed a felony in their lives, but just didn't get caught/prosecuted. Probably not even knowing what they did was illegal or a felony. The amount of laws that carry felon penalties in this country is astronomical. We're all felons.
 
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