2003 came in with a bang....got shot at!!

[itgoesboom]

Glad to hear that you are safe Carbon.

I am also sad to hear about your marriage. I remember reading your post when things started to happen, and i was actually wondering what happened to ya last week sometime.

Good to see you back.

Stay Safe.

I.G.B.

 

[45R]

Carbon_15

Glad to hear that your okay, and I'm sorry to hear that your New Year started off with somewhat of a bang. Its too bad that your car was shot up. Its only a materail possesion your life is more important. Glad that your still with us. God have helped them if you had your Sig.

Have a great New Year.


45R

 

[eviltravis]

Well, this has to be the worst thing that can possibly happen to you this year. It's all down hill from here!
Seriously though, I'm glad no one was hurt. Too bad about the car. What did your insurance agent say?

 

[chaim]

I'm also glad you are ok. I'm going to add my voice to the voices saying that if you are in a CCW area you should have a designated carrier as well as a designated driver (well, I guess they could be the same person). Also, if you were planning to be sober enough to drive you should have been sober enough to carry (no one should drive if they drank enough to notice, I won't put a number on it since for some it is less than one, for me I put the limit at 2, 3 if it is a long period of time and I'm 250lbs).

Anyway, try to put a good face on it (as you did), you now know how you'll react. Everyone thinks they know how they would (and many people think they know how others they know will) react in a, um, situation but you don't until you've been there. Often times you will be really surprised- the monstrous guy you'd think could handle it pees himself and the 130lb twig becomes Swartzenager (and with some forum members here both may be the case ). I'm glad I've had the couple scary situations I've had and know that I'm stupid, I mean calm, enough to not blindly run away.

And people wonder why I stay home on New Year's when I live in the Washington, DC, metro area...

Mike, you don't like the lead rain? Funny, when the clock struck 12 I was watching Baltimore TV and the neighborhoods there sounded like a firing range. Actually, it isn't only the big cities- part of my neighborhood about a mile from where I currently live has gone bad and some of the pops and cracks I heard from outside didn't sound like firecrackers here either. All that lead has to come down somewhere.

 

[MAKOwner]

Wonder how many antis this incident created? What kind of degenerate POS would start shooting at a freakin party over nothing. Can't believe they didn't hit anything either. Anyone get plate numbers and such on them? They need to be put away.

 

[Kahr carrier]

YIKES

 

[KMKeller]

Glad to see you safe and sound. Welcome to the new casa Carbon.

 

[2dogs]

Sounds pretty scary- good lucky thing no one was killed or injured.

Stay safe.

 

[seeker_two]

Glad you weren't hurt or worse...

 

[Gordon]

Well the chaplain could tell you about G-d loving you so he had you NOT carry to an alcohol fueled party and kept anyone from being hurt. That damage to your car should be covered by insurance. The law suit and trouble that would have followed even if you hit bangers would not be fun. All told you had a good experience IMHO. Only on duty LEO should carry around alcohol consumption and I have 300 years of history to back up that statement.

 

[another okie]

Even if you had been carrying it probably would have been better to take cover unless they started shooting at you personally.

 

[El Rojo]

I think when the bullets wizzed by his head and struck his car, that meant that they were shooting at him!!! Here is how I would look at the situation. No one was hurt. You have seen the elephant. I would see it as a good thing. Try not to worry about it as "Oh my God I could have died! What am I going to do???" Heck, we could have died hundreds of times by the time we hit the mid twenties. Thousands by an older age. God was protecting you and you don't have to go through lawyers, trials, or anything else. If you don't have to shoot, it is a good day.

Now, if I were you, I would carry every where all the time and I certainly could care less about drinking on New Years from this point on. I think I would focus on packing for 2004.

Man that whole situation will boggle the mind won't it? It is always when you don't think you will need a gun, that you need it. Sounds like you did fine Carbon. I wouldn't 2nd guess anything you did. Praise God.

 

[Archer]

Glad it worked out well.

Odd that you had to recover the rounds from your vehicle, you would think the police would have an interest in those as evidence.

 

[krept]

Crazy. Were you in tactical black? Maybe that saved your hide. That's very good that you weren't in the driver's seat.

Things turned out extremely well, considering. Let's say that you did have your CCW. You might have just killed someone or more than one. Sure we would all agree they got what was coming to them but now YOU would be living with the trauma and all that goes along with it.

I'm sure you know if you were carrying the 239 that your first shot would have been DA. Do you practice the DA trigger at those distances?

Welcome back! It doesn't get much closer than that without a hospital visit.

 

[Correia]

Whoa. That sucks. Glad to hear that everything worked out and I hope they catch the dirtbags.

 

[Frohickey]

Carbon_15

Well, its good that the only thing to get new holes were your car, and not you. Here's to hoping that the cops find the 3 scumbags. Heres also to hoping that the 3 scumbags do not want to be taken quietly, and without a fight.

Judging by the way I was instictivly reverting back to training, if I had had my Sig, the most likely outcome would have been a quick pair to COM to each of the 3 gunslingers....depending on how fast the other 2 could turn tail when the first one falls.

That would leave you with 2 rounds left in your Sig P239. I would hope that your training would have you reloading with a fresh magazine while the 3 scumbags are turning the ground red.

 

[TarpleyG]

Mike, you don't like the lead rain? Funny, when the clock struck 12 I was watching Baltimore TV and the neighborhoods there sounded like a firing range. Actually, it isn't only the big cities- part of my neighborhood about a mile from where I currently live has gone bad and some of the pops and cracks I heard from outside didn't sound like firecrackers here either. All that lead has to come down somewhere.

Chaim,

I thought no one in MD had a gun... Where are all these BGs getting these guns from??? Gun control would certainly prevent EVERYONE from getting a gun, right?

GT

 

[Carbon_15]

130lb twig....I resemble that remark

No 45R, God help 'em if I had been packing one of my Glock 20's stoked with Pro-load 155's....But the divorce claimed 99% of my hardware.

I was pretty suprised that the police didn't show more interest in the bullets. When they found out I had recovered them, they asjed to have them...but I guess they have plenty of evidence without doing a ballistic match. BTW, I just picked the car up 20 min. ago...good as new. I have to give Geico a plug here, they are fast. Quick body repairs is one of the cool thing about Saturns, disposable plastic body panels means no bondo, sanding, painting, and color matching. Just toss it and stick on a new one.

I have always trained to use the sights. Since I practice like that, and have found that you can have speed and aimed fire at the same time, I feel very confident that I could have used my sights under strees. After all I was able to spot the back of my buddys head in the middle of a brawling crowd under stress.

Yes, I do practice DA..ALOT. I practice double taps from concealment with a DA first shot quite alot. BTW, I shoot this particular gun EVERY day. Some days I shoot alot, but atleast once a day (its so nice living in the country with a range in my back yard) I practice drawing from concealment, firing 8 shots- leaving on in the chamber- slaping in a fresh mag and firing 9 more.

Only on duty LEO should carry around alcohol consumption

Thats why I didn't carry. I wasn't planning on getting tanked, and I didn't. But I knew there would be the inevitable drunks there. I weighed the unlikelyness that I would need to shoot with the likelyhood that something not-so-good could happen..say a loose gun around a crowd of drunks...and balanced that with the potential legal headaches of carrying to a party where alcohol was being consumned and decided to leave the firearms at home.

The interesting thing was, about 5 min after the last shot was fired, 6-8 turkey/deer guns emerged from behind truck seats and toolboxes. Thankfully, I only saw sober people with guns. Its a good thing for them they didn't come back to survey the damage. The nice thing about living in the country, and particulary the south...almost everyone can come up with a firearm in a mater of minuets, and is farmiliar with how to handle it safely and effectivly.


Remeber, "You wil not rise to the occasion, you will fall back to your level of training"


Thanks for the well-wishes and kind words,
Jason

 

[Navy joe]

Only on duty LEO should carry around alcohol consumption

Insert situational carry restriction here:______

Nope, couldn't agree less. We can all be blissninnies and make ourselves believe that there are myriad situations where law officers can be trusted with weapons but us proles can't. We can keep believing that until we have no guns. Soon we'll be saying:

"Only sworn LEO can be trusted to have guns around large groups of people in public" "

Imagine all the bad things that could hapen! Bleat!"

From what I've seen the majority of Law Officers do not have the responsibility or firearms skill markets cornered. They are on average strikingly similar to the private citizen in that class. I do not believe in peace officers as a protective class, that's up to us.

It's called personal responsibility, we should all employ more of it before our country goes completely down the tubes.

 

[eXe]

Yikes.. Glad your ok. Cool pics of the rounds.

And people wonder why I dont go to parties anymore

 

[Frohickey]

I've seen a 15 year veteran of a major metropolitan police department shoot a 9mm hole into a soda vending machine.

I wonder if he read the thing its Miranda rights.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Remember one thing: Had you shot the "homies", their buds woulda paid you a serious 2 am visit...

 

[Lennyjoe]

Carbon, Good to see you survived that shooting

Also good to see them knuckleheads didnt know how to accurately shoot them 9's. Lot of people could of gotten hurt.

Thought you guys might find this interesting. The one on the right was dug out of my passenger side seat (probly the one that went through the window) and the one on the left was found stuck in the firewall (went through the hood, took out some wires and whatzits and stuck base first in the firewall). We cant find the 3rd. They were shooting S&B 115's.

Guess that proves that 9MM can penetrate autoglass and hood/door metal. At least FMJ anyway.

 

[stray1]

Really nice story. Good detail and discription. I'd like to see pics of the car. That would be really cool . The pics of the rounds were cool too! I'm sure the cops had plenty of others to choose from. It was nice of them to let you keep some of the evidence. Anyway, I'm glad you are safe. Those BGs were very lucky you weren't carrying.

 

[JPM70535]

I offer my sympathies on the damage to your car. You were probably fortunate you were not carrying when the incident occurred. Although you might well have been justified in returning fire, and if your skill level and a little luck resulted in the end of the BGs, the fact that you had 4 beers would likely have come back to haunt you. If not in a criminal trial, (DRUNK SLAYS X # of LOCAL YOUTHS) then for sure in a civil proceeding. Whether the civil suit hjad merit or not you can bet that some low life Ambulance chaser would take the case.

I probably would have been armed, but with the odds stacked in the BGs favor, don't think I would have taken action unless I came under direct attack.

Having said that, I wasn't there and I don't know what you saw.