.22 bolt guns

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It's all in fun. The Sakos are fine shooters, but all my rifles fall off into the .3s @ 50 yards on best averages with high dollar ammo. I have shot some groups in the .1s and even less than .1 (every blue moon), and even more in the .2s, but not often enough to say that any of my rifles are true 1/4" guns.

I'm saving at the moment to buy a Cooper. I wish 1/2MOA was just that easy.
 
"it would be folly to believe that any old $200 boltgun will outshoot a 10/22 with a premium barrel. "

I have an old $130 bolt gun that will outshoot all of those 10/22s. It's a Remington 541-S and that's what it cost new. :)

I also have a Finnfire with a Jewell trigger and a Cooper Custom Classic fwiw. I plink with quality guns. :) They are very accurate off a rest at 50 yards. I don't quote group sizes on the net because it only encourages arguments.
 
I have a Savage Mark II Classic. It is a full sized, wood-stocked, beautiful rifle. It is about twice as expensive as a regular Savage, but well worth it to me. The finish is great with a nice, glossy blue. The trigger is great as well. I tuned mine to about 3 pounds in my estimate. The barrel is 24" and it comes as a regular sporting contour. It is very accurate and beautiful. For this type of .22 rifle, I would only put the Browning model 52 (just for accuracy), Anschutz, and Cooper above it. Though I think only the Cooper looks better (well, Anschutz uses a little better wood).

What I am trying to say here is: I highly recommend the Savage Mark II Classic. Of course, if you have the money get a Cooper!;)
 
I have an old $130 bolt gun that will outshoot all of those 10/22s. It's a Remington 541-S and that's what it cost new.
1960 dollars don't count but yes, I'm sure it will. :rolleyes:


I don't quote group sizes on the net because it only encourages arguments.
That's convenient.
 
Still saying.. "best" .22 bolt rifle ever is the old Winchester Model 67. Tip-top condition will only set you back $100.

Has the longest barrel by a several inches (its 27" compared to the 18 and some change on a 10/22) of all guns mentioned here, can shoot ANY .22 ammo, and has a simple and reliable action.
 
Still saying.. "best" .22 bolt rifle ever is the old Winchester Model 67. Tip-top condition will only set you back $100.
Still saying, that's a very limited frame of reference. Particularly from somebody who thinks it's silly to spend more than that on a .22.
 
hey now!, I have a Marlin 60 SS, also..and I used to have a Winchester 94 Boy Scout Commemorative .22.. even had a Leupold scope on it. So I might have learned something.
 
Have you tried bedding your Savage? Mine shoots wonderfully and easily equals my old Remington 541T but it also throws the occasional flyer. I'm looking at six groups I shot at 50yds with Wolf MT last week and there are some honest .2" - .3" groups in there, or would be, if it weren't for the flyers. The average is still really good at .425" but you know there's always room for improvement. I've got a .17HMR as well. I had plans to swap around the stocks with an extra Boyd's tacticool I've got, along with bedding for both guns and refinishing one of the stocks but it's not something I've had a chance to get into yet.
 
I get good results out of my old gun.

Remington Model 511 Scoremaster .22 (1939)
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Enough talk about top bench rifles! What are the rules you're shooting under? Is it for any rifles, or are there sporter limitations? Can you use a 3" wide forend? Is weight limited? Is scope power limited? You need to know the rules before running off and buying something that either won't be allowed, or won't be competitive.

Shooting light rifles off poor rests is much more difficult to do well than using Unlimited benchrest rifles. Shifting from one bull to another, holding the rifle very consistently form shot to shot is detrimental to good scores. Technique is extremely important because the rifle starts moving in recoil before the 22LR round leaves the muzzle.

When shooting light rifles, I've found it's important to maintain about 4 pounds of pressure against the shoulder. Rifle position should be consistent and position of the rear bag should remain constant from row to row. That requires vertical adjustments on the front rest, but horizontal adjustments are a big plus as well.

I've been shooting Rimfire Benchrest for a fair number of years and run both IR50/50 and Plinker competitions at our club. Last year, I had the match of my life, shooting 74 consecutive 10s and Xs, getting a 9 on the last shot of the tree targets (250, 250, 249). My rifle is a custom Rem 40X, bought used for $1,600, and shooting very high-priced match ammo.

If anyone wants a good match rifle, Benchrestcentral.com Classifieds is the place to look!
 
Jeff, it sounds like you need to re-profile/polish the feed ramp and go from there. That may very well solve your problems. My 10/17 (Ruger 10/22 with .17HM2 conversion) did the same thing, and as a result it would yield mediocre groups when fed from the magazine (which is part of the reason I ended up selling it)...but when single loaded it performed admirably (often leaving a ragged hole).

:)
 
curious

Jeff: Just curious. I don't own and am not familiar with the Savage .22 in question. but the comment
Savages don't really have a feed ramp........ The shell is supposed to slide right into the chamber. That's probably why it doesn't work very well. I've seen times it would not even load ammo because it wasn't sitting in the mag right.
caught my eye. My High Standard pistol does not have a feed ramp. The magazine arrangement is as you describe - or seemingly so.
The "feed ramp" for this pistol is actually the lips of the magazine. Is that the case with your rifle's mags? If so, have you adjusted them and polished the interior?
Pete
 
Uh Savages don't really have a feed ramp. Believe me I would have done that long ago. I'm not sure about the 93's but the MkII's don't.
You're right, the magazine lips are about the only cartridge guide in the rifle (same with the model 93s)...which is nice, because if you mess up you're only out about $15.00. If it really comes down to it you could add a small cone to the breech of the bbl, but I'd be hesitant to perform such a risky operation (tuning the magazines should be sufficient).

:)
 
You could pick up a single shot adapter for the Savage MKII.
I plan to do just that (for a model 93R17). Was cleaning up the garage yesterday and came across a approx. 5/16in. chunk of aluminum, and a single shot adapter was the first thing that crossed my mind.

:)
 
Thanks for all of the comments and food for thought. I do have a bit of blood, sweat and tears in my 10/22, so I'm going to put a tad bit more into it before I abandon it. I have a Kidd 18" barrel on the way. I'm going to strip the bedding out of my stock and rebed it when the barrel gets here. Hopefully, I'll be able to run some rounds through it this weekend. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
I think that is a smart first move, if it doesn't work you're not out a great deal of money (should be an easy sell in the buy, sell, & trade forum) and you can sell the old one for a little ammo money.

:)
 
Mossberg Model 43. One of the most accurate .22 rifles I have ever shot. Trigger is crisp and you may like the tubular magazine. Yes, it's OLD, but still a great shooter.
 
Thanks Jackie! One of my best buys too, a long time friend sold it to me about 3 years ago for $25.00 it was his grandfather's and he did not want it, go figure?
 
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