.22 Bulk Pack - Is accuracy possible?

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I have a blast shooting my .22's, and predominantly use the local cheap bulk ammo: Remington "Golden Bullet". It seems there's a bit of powder charge variance in the bulk packs, some rounds sound almost squib-like, others have some extra oomph.

It's frustrating when you think you got everything zeroed in at 50 yards, and go to fire at a target and your shot is an inch or so high or low. Not quite the shooters fault because the report is clearly different from the majority of the group used for sighting the rifle.


So, I finally got a bright idea: I'll weigh the cartridges.

I grabbed a handful (14) out of the box I shot from today, and got out my Hornady magnetic scale and weighed them up. This is what I got:

50.0 gr - 1
50.2 gr - 1
50.3 gr - 2
50.5 gr - 4
50.9 gr - 1
51.3 gr - 2
51.6 gr - 1
52.4 gr - 1

I was anticipating some variation, but 2.4 grains out of a handful of 14? I think I'm going to pull a bunch more out and weigh them up, and take a handful of the same weight out to the range tomorrow.

We'll see how it works out.
 
I've never had the inclination to bother trying, cheap as I am, even I can afford better ammo if I'm trying to shoot pretty groups.
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I've felt the same. But now that I've put myself on a ammo budget (amongst other things), I'll do this experiment to see if it would be worthwhile. I mean, if I want to go blast some soda cans and bottle caps, there's no need. But if I want to set a small dot at 50 yards and try to hit it, then having a handful of 'controlled' ammo set aside might be beneficial.
 
I've always known that bulk remington "golden" bullets were junk. When I was a kid I thought .22's were supposed to be erratic until I got some better ammo.
 
Its rot gut .22 ammo. Its like rot gut booze. Its gets the job done. If you want accurate ammo spend a little more money.
 
I used to buy Remington Golden Bullets and they were good rounds. The rounds came in the square plastic boxes. That crap they put in bulk boxes is junk.

Get some of the Federal 550 packs from Walmart. They seem to be just fine. My son and i shot about 300 rounds last saturday and no squibs,FTF or FTF.
 
Remington Golden Bullets work best in my 10/22. Federals turn it into a jammotic pile of steel and wood, sometimes up to 6 jams in one 10 round mag. Winchester XPERT22 fires "regular" sounding loads, with about 3 to 4 in every 10 round mag are "weak" sounding. The 40gr Blazers, Reed, and two others are no better.

The Golden Bullets simply work, even when I overlubed the gun and it was simply nasty in there. Federals (the 525rnd bricks) aren't any more accurate and simply jam too much.

If the Golden Bullets are junk in your gun, sorry to hear that. The Remington Cyclone bulk 500 round bricks are simply atrocious in mine. Identical bullet design, all that except it is not brass/copper washed. But it doesn't work well, horrid accuracy.

Found the Golden Bullets to have the most consistent bullet design. Most consistent hollow point hole and all that. The Federals have inconsistently sized HP holes as do the Winchester XPERT22s, and the XPERT22s also had overwaxed bullets. Junk.
 
Depends on your what your individual gun likes best. 22LRs are picky like that.

As an initial break-in for my new CZ-452, I shot el-cheapo Wallie World Federal Bulk pack (running a boresnake down the barrel every 5 rounds). The rounds fed and extractly smoothly and without fault. And despite using a crummy paper target at 50 yards that looked like a big 8" black disk (making aiming at the same point with irons difficult), I still managed a 2 1/8" group (excluding 1 flyer out of 10). With a better target, I think I can do better still.
 
I've been pretty impressed with the Federal Bulk ammo. For the money it is difficult to beat. It cycles my auto's reliably and most of my rimfires seem to shoot it well. In a 10 shot group I would say there are 3 sometimes 4 fliers but the majority is in a nice tight little group.

I've tried sorting by weight without a noticeable improvement. I tried measuring the rim thickness and that seems to show signs of improved performance. Further testing will be required to confirm those results.

As mentioned earlier the Federal 510 Champion is still less than $0.03 a round locally and it shoots a little better for a little more $. When I find it I usually buy a brick.

I will admit that the RWS and Wolf premium ammo does in fact shoot more consistently (fewer fliers) and I've shot my very best groups with it but at 3x+ the price of bulk ammo it isn't 3x better performing.
 
Marbles - it could be that your 10/22 might benefit from a replacement extractor.
If it really jams that much with that many different kinds of ammo and ONLY works well with one type of ammo, might be worth a look.
IIRC, a VQ extractor cost me about $12 and turned my 10/22 from a jammamatic with everything to a gun that's so reliable that when I do get the occasional jam, I'm kind of suprised.
Ruger may even send you a new one if you'd call them and ask - they're known for pretty good CS and offered to work on used guns for free for me in the past.
Just a thought.
 
I use federal 550 round per box from walmart. unless you're shooting at horse flys you won't miss what you are aiming at because of the ammo. At least that's my experience with my marlin glenfield model 20 bolt, marlin 37 pump, and marlin 39 lever. And with my marlin glenfield bolt I could hit more horse flys than I missed.
 
Bulk box is for fun only.

Buy better grades of ammunition when accuracy and performance matter.

If you don't have at least 4 varieties of .22 ammo, you need more. Go ahead and splurge.
 
Marbles - it could be that your 10/22 might benefit from a replacement extractor.
If it really jams that much with that many different kinds of ammo and ONLY works well with one type of ammo, might be worth a look.
IIRC, a VQ extractor cost me about $12 and turned my 10/22 from a jammamatic with everything to a gun that's so reliable that when I do get the occasional jam, I'm kind of suprised.
Ruger may even send you a new one if you'd call them and ask - they're known for pretty good CS and offered to work on used guns for free for me in the past.
Just a thought.
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Thank you for that.

All stovepipes. Doesn't do it with any other ammo although when I was doing the test (with a dirty gun) first time the Blazer got four stove pipes with just ten rounds. Here it is:

=> Rem. Cyclone, average 7moa, (6 to 9moa), 2 duds and 1 jam.
=> Blazer bulk 40gr RN, average 6moa, (4 to 8moa), with four stovepipes.
=> Federal bulk, average 5.75moa, (5 to 7 moa) with two stovepipes.
=> Winchester XPERT bulk, average 5.5moa (5 to 6.5moa) with 1 jam.
=> Rem. Golden Bullets, average 5moa, (4 to 6moa) with 1 jam.

I look at it this way: If it cannot get past one jam in a dirty gun and feed reliably, then I shouldn't consider it when 30 seconds is left on the AQT and I have two more 400yd targets to go.

That was just the first test, after I cleaned it up again and retested everything did better, but not by much. At this point I'm not concerned about extraction because the GB feed well and don't have many duds. Cyclones were NOTORIOUS for dud rounds and jams, terrible accuracy and all that.

I'm more concerned about accuracy at this point, hence another thread about my accuracy...
 
I use the Remington Golden bullets from the bulk pak to do all my chuck hunting. I don't shot them for groups. 8 chucks so far this season at ranges from 15 to 80 yards.

regards,

Luis Leon
 
Bulk packs

Best Bulk pack ammo I ever used is the Federal Auto Match...1/2" groups in my 10/22 Target. The Remington golden stuff everything is talking about shoots great in my standard 10/22.
 
I was just going to ask everyone's opinion of the Federal AutoMatch? "They" call it match grade ammo, but it's just bulk packaged and slightly more expensive...neighborhood of 12-14 dollars for 325 rounds rather than 500. It seems to shoot more consistently than the other bulk ammo for me. The only "more expensive" ammo I tried to compare it to was CCI Stingers...but they wouldn't feed from the mag on a bolt Savage because the overall length was too long...got stuck in the mag and held the follower down.
 
Marbles - I don't want to hijack this guy's thread. Check your Private messages. ;)
 
Most folks I know agree that Rem Golden Bulks are inconsistent and very dirty.

In 1022's Fed Bulk seems to perform better at the same price.
One of the most misdiagnosed ailments on a 1022 is a bad extractor. Often it's a poorly tensioned BX-1 magazine.

If you want a lo-tech rim thickness gauge that works, try a .223 case. Simply drop the .22 rimfire round into the .223 and measure with your calipers!

CRITGIT
 
Winchester Dynapoints

from K-Mart ( think that's where I bought them ) are bulk packed, and have a very consistent rim thickness, which is supposed to help accuracy. I recall seeing somewhere that they had the same rim consistency as some of the cheaper match ammo. I haven't bought any lately, so I can't quote a price on them, but they were about $12-13 dollars a box of 500 a few years ago.

Also, I personally prefer the Aguilla SE from Mexico, if you can find it locally. Fairly cheap and fairly accurate.


Kerf
 
Dynapoints were in fact very accurate bulk ammo in a 1022. However when Win went south to save a few labor bucks they walked on their parts!
Prior to that move Win Dynas were more or less a Kmart exclusive @ 10.00 500 ct. After the "move" they went to an insulting $29.00/500ct @ K Mart ...............if they can be found at all!:mad:


CCI mini mags and Fed Auto Match are very accurate in most 1022's.

CRITGIT
 
Dynapoints cost $29.00 a box!!?? You're kidding me, right? Darn!

I should get out more often. I guess I shouldn't be shocked with gas at four bucks, milk at five and a loaf of bread at three or four.

I've got a "few" boxes on the shelf.

Kerf
 
Dynapoints cost $29.00 a box!!?? You're kidding me, right? Darn!

I should get out more often. I guess I shouldn't be shocked with gas at four bucks, milk at five and a loaf of bread at three or four.

I've got a "few" boxes on the shelf.

Kerf
 
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