22 LR Vs 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 22 Mag...

[undeRGRound]

I have seen 15 grain in a 17HMR. Down-loaded on the powder, as it also has an MV of 2550 FPS.

I have some
22 LR (rifles and 1 handgun)
22 Mag (same as WMR) Mossberg 640T
17 HMR Savage Mod. 93

I have this variety due to ammo shortages.
No way I will be without SOMETHING to shoot, in rimfire! lol


Could not find anything in a 22WSM on Google, perhaps
the poster meant WMR? WMR = Magnum (Win. Magnum Rimfire)

 

[sappyg]

A 5 year old thread yet an interesting read all the same.

The OP makes a valid observation that is very relevant even now. Sure wish I could buy some velocitors for 3-4 bucks these days but that is another issue. Wish I could buy some velocitors period.

These days 223 costs twice as much as 17 hmr no matter how you slice it. Not so sure about the 7.62x39 stuff. The comparison to it is a stretch all the same.

I like the 17 hmr and think its gonna be around for good long while. That said, it's not as practical as the 22 lr for me. If I were a practical person I would only own 1-2 guns. The new rim fires available now sound great to me. The more the better. Still, I'll shoot my 22 lr more than all other cartridges combined. That's just the way of it.

 

[javjacob]

I think whoever said 22 WSM meant to say 17WSM which is a new round that was just introduced this year. its a 17 but with a bigger shell casing necked down of course. WSM stands for Winchester super magnum. supposed to have MV of over 3000 fps

 

[undeRGRound]

I did see the 17WSM!
Nice setup, but it also explains why the 17HMR development is stunted.
They could get that 3000 fps out of the HMR, but cases might be close
to maxed out. If I had waited, I would just get the 17 WSM but I guess
I can get that later

 

[Deltaboy1984]

22LR does 95% of my work on the Farm. The 22mag comes out only for yotes that I can't get with in 75 yards with my rabbit distress call. I also used it for a big boar coins in the traps.

 

[undeRGRound]

Cool Sig, DeltaBoy

 

[TeaCoffee.Guy]

I am looking forward to owning a .22WMR soon. I like the ballistics of of it compared to the .17HMR.
I use a .22LR for target shooting and hunting pests and it's a lot of fun too.
I don't think that the price difference between .22LR and .22WMR is a real problem, and there is a better variety of bullets for it than for the .17HMR.

 

[undeRGRound]

So you like the 22 Magnum?

AFAIK the 22lr is still hard to get, and getting HARDER.
But I see a good bit of 22WMR and 17HMR on shelves.
I have both, and for a single step up from 22lr it is great.
17 has more range, but less punch maybe? Seems the 22
WMR is a bit cheaper than the 17 HMR, but I have not seen
a better variety in ammo, actually less. But I do not actively
look for the 22 WMR. I should get more of BOTH, as the 22lr
is still mighty mighty scarce.

 

[Mike1234567]

I haven't seen ANY rimfire for a very long time at my local Walmart (there's only one) and the rimfire at the only LGS is WAY overpriced. I'm thinking of dumping all my .22LR and .22WMR... might as well since I refuse to pay near centerfire prices for replacements. I have a very decent .22 cal pellet gun and a .223 Rem that will work just fine for anything around here from squirrels to coyotes negating the "real need" for any rimfire. I don't hunt but the examples are valid.

 

[undeRGRound]

I haven't seen ANY rimfire for a very long time at my local Walmart (there's only one) and the rimfire at the only LGS is WAY overpriced. I'm thinking of dumping all my .22LR and .22WMR... might as well since I refuse to pay near centerfire prices for replacements. I have a very decent .22 cal pellet gun and a .223 Rem that will work just fine for anything around here from squirrels to coyotes negating the "real need" for any rimfire. I don't hunt but the examples are valid.

Funny thing, we have other than 22lr around here pretty common. I have even seen some .17 HM2 which has nearly been rendered useless by 22 Mag and 17 HMR.
I have pondered what I could get for all my 22lr, and guns... hmmm

Any Ideas, Mike?

 

[fpgt72]

I think it comes down to you. Personally I really don't see enough difference between the old 22mag and the newer offerings. They are just not THAT much or enough better over the older cartridge for me to warrant another gun.

Now if you don't have something that is in one of those "other" rim fire cartridges then I can see really looking into them.....but if you are like me and already own 22mag rifles then there is really no point to the 17's.

 

[Mike1234567]

Funny thing, we have other than 22lr around here pretty common. I have even seen some .17 HM2 which has nearly been rendered useless by 22 Mag and 17 HMR.
I have pondered what I could get for all my 22lr, and guns... hmmm

Any Ideas, Mike?

I may have an offer for all my several thousand rounds of very good quality .22LR for 15 cents per round plus shipping. In today's market that's a very fair price considering there's zero wait... it's in my hands and can be shipped day of payment received. If they want it then it's gone. It'll give the buyer what they want and rid me of my rimfire frustrations.

Maybe I'll sell all my .22WMR and .17HMR too.

 

[EdLaver]

I've got a CZ 452 in 17hmr and I absolutely love it. I have .22lrs as well but if I'm hunting small game, the CZ is my first choice. Shoots flatter at longer distance and has the power to do what I need on small varmints. I've even used it to hunt small piglet hogs, I love the 17hmr

 

[CraigC]

And a .17 or a 22 Mag doesn't really change dramatically what you can do with it compared to a 22 LR...

I know this is an old post but a statement like that has to come from inexperience and a lack of perspective. After using all three extensively, I assess them like this:

.22LR - Small game and rodents out to 120yds and small predators out to 75yds. Works okay on coyotes up close.

.22Mag - All small game and small predators out to 150yds, coyotes perhaps 100yds.

.17HMR - All small game and rodents out to 250yds, small predators and coyotes out to 150yds.

At that price we are getting closer to a cheap box of 20 7,62 X 39 for my AK (or for a longer barrel SKS)... a bit less round count but a much more "deep" shooting experience.

A "bit" less round count? 20rds versus 50rds is a "bit"??? That's 2.5 times as much ammo. No, I don't see this as comparable in the least. No 7.62x39 on the planet will be as accurate as your average .17HMR, will make a hell of a lot more noise and is way more bullet than you need for the critters the .17 is appropriate for. Even handloading the .223 you'd be hard pressed to match the price of rimfire magnums. Not to mention the time spent at the loading bench and more expensive rifles.

 

[d2wing]

I wonder about the 120 yards for 22lr. It can be done but with hunting ammo and rifle, but unless you start with subsonic ammo, the bullet will transition and make it a tough shot. I am guessing 80 yards with standard ammo and rifle. 120 under the right circumstances. That is where a 17 HMR or 22 mag shines. no sonic transition.

 

[CraigC]

Even a good pistol will get you to 75yds. Spend enough time shooting at those ranges and it will become easy.

 

[undeRGRound]

Getting the most from _any_ 22

So I bought a 20" heavy barrel Henry. $333 plus tax, and it holds about 2 dozen 22Shorts! (16 LRs) The 20" barrel will give a bit more accuracy and velocity, the extra weight lends stability, and the Lever is just plain FUN! Got a super-cheap Tasco on there right now, ($16 @ wally's world) and obviously it can handle any type of 22 ammo from cheap junk to the good Eley target ammo, which I was forced to buy as it was all the local farm store had. BTW, it is 2.5-3 times HIGHER on "dumber than *****" (cheaper than dirt) now, I should have bought like 10 times more of the ELEY. It was only $7.99 a box summer and fall of '13

My USMC son loved the Henry, said it was accurate right out of the box.
I also have a Marlin 795 which needs wrung out. As far as the Henry goes, I can still get 22S all the time. Good small game round

My Dad grabbed my "nearly free" Mossberg 640T, ($165 with 100 rounds ammo INCLUDED) but it's fine, I can shoot it any time. He even bought some ammo for it, so it is actually a win-win, cuz he never really buys much ammo.
He thinks 100 rounds is sufficient but at least he did do the "Ammo Day" wait in line @ Slander Mountain (Gouger Mountain?) same thing LOL

 

[Temp430]

I bought a 22 WMR when I got tired of shooting woodchucks in my garden with a 22 LR only to watch them walk, not run, away.

 

[jrdolall]

How many 22LR guns are accurate at 60 yards using standard bulk ammo like Remington? None of mine are. Now if I use ammo that is double the price of the "bulk" stuff then I have some rifles that are very accurate even out to 100 yards assuming I have a known distance. Most "quality" 22 ammo is not $.05 per round and hasn't been for a long time, if ever. Right now it is $.15 or so if you can find any.
Do't get me wrong. I own more than 25 firearms in 22LR and shoot them more than everything else combined. At anything over 50 yards, other than targets, I want the 22mag or 17. I just know that in my experience I can get them to hit what I aim at(usually). How much damage the bullet does to the coyote or armadillo or coon isn't a big concern.