Tell me about the 17 HMR

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Left to Right:
(1) 22 WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) or 22 Magnum
(2) 17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) or 17 Hummer
(3) 22 Stinger
(4) 17 HM2 (Hornady Mach 2) or 17 Mach 2
(5) 22 LR (Long Rifle) or simply 22
(6) 17 Aguila or 17 PMC or 17 High Standar
 
I load .223 up cheaper than I find 17hmr

and i suppose everyone wants to shoot a .223 rifle? .223 is almost useless to me where i live except shooting papers which is a waste
 
not sure if anyone mentioned it, but it's a fine round for small game hunting. Use FMJ rounds if you don't feel like seeing small mammals blow up... Shot a grey squirrel with a vmax round and blew it literally in half... amazing round.
 
According to a co-worker it will explode a coyote at 400 yards. Yeah~right
It is an excellent 17 caliber round within its design parameters.
It is STILL a little light in the pants and doesn't get into 3k per second, much wind drift is to be expected.
I sure wish the 22hornet would get this much attention.
The round is a great seller, even if it is a little over hyped.
It does everything as expected - I really like it.
 
GREAT post by rangerruck !

most of us will never own a $5000 - $10,000 custom built BR50 rig,
many (like me) will never pony up ~$2k for a nice Annie or Cooper

but for ~$400 (or less) us casual fun day weekend shooters can make believe we have a Cooper 22LR with a 17HMR... "dimes at 50 yd, nickles at 100 yd"
50 yd 5-shot groups 3/8" center to center at 50 yards in calm wind is very doable for anybody, with some 3-shot one ragged holes, and those are not "match grade" guns

doncha' just love it when you know your 2nd shot didn't miss the whole 36x36 cardboard, and there still ain't but one 0.20" hole to look at in that 1" shoot-n-see ?
for that reason alone, the $12-$14 for 50 rounds buys a mighty lot of smiles per hour

I have only seen half a dozen hummers at local range, shot 'em all, ($250-$400 guns, and not a "bad" one in the bunch (mine is Savage bull barrel thumbhole Accu-trigger, cheapo 18X scope)

there are a lot of rounds that have come and gone that should'a could'a been really great, but were only real good,,, but every once in a while something subtle "just works right", and I do believe the rimfire HMR is one of them
Maybe not a whole lot of bang for your buck, but a whopping lot of fun :)

for those who have not yet been there-
every off-the-shelf 17HMR I have yet seen likes one flavor bullet better than all others (sometimes a specific brand as well, but it's mostly bullet type & weight) You cannot assume your buddie's gun, even if same make/model will best like the same as your's, either.
so.. when you get your first one, buy 50 rounds of every flavor you can find, and work thru 'em
once you find it, stick with it

mine likes hollowpoints best at 50 and 20 gr solid points at 100, don't like the V-max near as well.. and not even all brands will shoot to same POI, but do tend to shoot same bullet type tight

Cleaning - what rangerucker said... but even though I have a 17 specific Otis rod, I use it and brushes very sparingly; the 17s run pretty clean , if you clean every 50 rounds

what I use most of all is a yard of 200# test mono leader with doubled end w/ a snippet of heat shrink tubing for a patch puller loop, soak 'em and pull 'em thru from chamber to muzzle, until clean patch exits clean... cut your patches safely undersize until you get right-sized, as with any flavor "snake", or you can be in big trouble if too tight.. it gets "right" when it "just squeaks" a little on the way thru... 200# test is 1.4mm or ~65% of 17 bore diameter when doubled... or just use 2 yds of 100# test doubled full length for <50% of bore
(on some forum or other, some guy pulled a commercial boresnake in two, leaving some length of it in his barrel, and I bet he never did get it out.. can't push a rope, you know, no need pull that stout, so if in doubt, stick to a rod)
I like the mono, because after you use it few times, you just throw it away and whack off another yard, 100 yards is pretty cheap

PS
how I came to using mono is about having a brand new 17HMR , but no 17 rod found local long enough to push thru from rear...
yo, what would life be like without duct tape, cheap electrical tape, and plastic tie-wraps... or some 8 weight fly line ;)
 
I have a Marlin 917V that is a tack driver. It's my ground squirel gun. Here's what mine looks like...

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I have a Savage 17HMR with a "cheapo" BSA sweet 17 scope and I love it.
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My gun likes CCI TNT ammo and out to 100 yards (I haven't shot it any farther) it's dead on. This is a quarter I shot 5 rounds at 100 yards.
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I just finished building a Savage 17 HMR and although it did not accomplish what I intended, I am VERY pleased with it! I wanted something I could sniper squirrel hunt with as well as do some weekend plinking. I was persuaded to the 17 HMR because of being able to use it on coyotes, which is true and great, but not so much on the weekend plinking. After I went and did a break-in on the barrel and shot for the February Rim Fire, I noticed my wallet a little lighter than it would have been had it been a 22lr...:banghead:, but overall I am still pleased with the rifle and glad I have it. I do not reload and I do not own a .223 so it is a lot less expensive than .308!

Extra bonus...it allowed me to get another rifle...my new 10/22!:neener:

Getting the 17 HMR was the best mistake I ever made!

Target attached is a 5 round group shot in less than two minutes (was running out of light) at 100 yards. This is only after/during the barrel break-in, I think this was still <50 rounds.

After reading this thread, I am interested in trying some other ammo to find out what other results I get.
 

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$12/50 expensive? Maybe if you're homeless. Seriously this is a great quality bullet (vmax) and the price for 50 rounds is not bad at all.
 
rha600, not to thread jack, but could you elaborate on the BSA sweet 17 a bit more, please?

I have a bushnell 3200 3x9x40 on my 17 now, but would REALLY like to have a drop compensator for 17 so I can get away from fractional reticle math.

TIA.
 
I really like it. It's a "cheap" scope (I think it cost me $80) but on something like the .17 with practically zero recoil I figured it wasn't a problem. BSA makes a whole series of "sweet" scopes from .17 up to 30.06 so i'm not sure how the bigger calbers work.

The longest range i've shot at down here is right at 100 yards so the only time I really got to play with it was on the farm up in NJ. Out to 150 yards it seemed to work perfectly. Honestly I don't know how accurate the .17 past 150 yards but the compensator goes out to 300.

The only thing that I DON'T like about it is that the eye relief on mine is VERY limited. Meaning that if you move (what seems like) 1/2 inch you can be out of proper alignment. If you look at my scope, that's why I had to set it so far back. Looking at BSA's web site it seems there are several different models in various powers so maybe some are better than others, but i've had my dad and a couple friends shoot it and all noted the eye relief "problem".

For the price though, I would definitely recommend it to someone.
 
I am "mist"-i-fied ? Why the "mist" verbiage?

I am new to the .17 HMR (in fact, still considering whether to buy a rifle in that chambering). Over and over I read things like:
benzy2 said: The results with the vmax are devastating. The bullets basically explode turning the target into goo. That is good for pests but I have had to switch to FMJ or the TNT on squirrels as it either destroys too much meat....It's real enjoyment for me is shooting targets that will turn to mist when hit, be that fruit, soda/water bottles, or animals.

OK, somebody please explain why this Vmax bullet is so devastating and turns everything into "mist"? I looked at the CCI web page for that ammo, and the muzzle velocity is 2550 fps for a 17 grain bullet. I shoot various .30 cal rounds (like .308 Win) in which the muzzle velocity is upwards of 2800 fps and the bullet weighs ten times as much. Of course, it "devastates" fruit and makes a pretty good splash from a gallon plastic jug full of water, but "mist"? Not really. So what's the difference?

I guess a clue would be benzy2's concept that "The bullets basically explode". If true, is that what causes the "mist" for the .17 HMR while no .30 cal bullet does that? Is that a feature of the Vmax bullet construction? Or is it due to the small diameter or low strength of the bullet? Do they make Vmax-style bullets for .30 cal rounds? (or would the "devastation" be just too awful, so bullet and ammo makers have spared humanity the grim results?)
 
My father just purchased me a Savage 93R17 BTV as a graduation present. I don't think I ever would have purchased a .17 HMR rifle on my own. I would have missed out on something great.

.17 HMR is more expensive than bulk .22lr. But in my admittedly limited experience with the caliber, there just isn't a bad loading. Rifles will obviously prefer some to others, but it is obvious that the factories are using very tight tolerances on the manufacture of this caliber. .17 HMR is priced basically the same as match .22LR.

I haven't really got a chance to stretch this baby out yet. I live in a city right now, so I shoot at an indoor range. 25 yards is as far as I've got to play yet, but here is a target with CCI 20 grain FMJ, 5 shots.

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I'll hopefully get to shoot some longer distances this weekend.
 
no mist-ery really
(just like no "magical" in 223 fired out of "black" vs other colors)
guys are enthusiastic, that's all
17s do make a messy kill on real small stuff

if want to get a good look at expansion of the 17, just fill a 12-15 oz plastic soft bottle brim full, screw cap on, lay it down on w/ cap end pointing straight back at you ~60 yards or so, shoot one through the cap...
it won't blow on thru length/end of bottle, the water will capture the expanded bullet very nicely... which obviously still isn't all that big you know
works on TNT rounds anyway, no frangible factor seen

but "devastating is as devastating does", and 17s are pretty devastating on tree rats, sure e'nuff

no 17 vs 308 woobie war implied or suggested :rolleyes:
 
oldfool,

That's right - I wasn't trying to start a cartidge war either. Just figure out what all the "enthusiasm" is about. I never doubted that the excitement was justified. (The net result of all this is, I am going to spend more money than I should on a .17 HMR chambered-rifle, being caught up in the enthusiasm and all! :D.)

I do also see that you dont have to use the Vmax bullet in the .17 HMR. I see that rha600 said "My gun likes CCI TNT ammo", and, if that bullet has enough integrity to puncture a quarter at 100 yards, that is not frangible (if that's the word). I belive the "TNT" bullet is the "green" one, that is, solid copper. Also, somewhere else I have seen mention of a couple of other bullet types. I will research them again or just run across them in due course.

If I could get a less destructive bullet for the .17 HMR chambering, I'd be inclined to make that my squirrel gun, even if it can be a bit overkill. But that's just me.
 
The vmax is meant as a varmint bullet. It is meant to violently fragment. As such, on small game you get results that are very violent. The vmax bullet is available through hornady in .30 caliber. The .17 hmr isn't going to explode a deer, but on squirrels it does a real number. It mangles them so much that I get little to no usable meat from a body shot and a head shot makes the cleaning process a huge pain. They do make tnt rounds which expand less and fmj rounds that don't expand at all. These don't cause near the mess of the vmax. On a pest/nongame animal the vmax is a blast. I love it for bird control. On things I plan to eat it is a pain.

The .30 is no different. Pick a light weight, thin jacketed hollow point designed to rapidly fragment and game is going to be violently turned into pulp. Shoot a fmj built to stay intact and you are going to get a clean hole, same as a .17hmr.
 
benzy2 and All interested,

Back to .30 cal V-MAX for a moment.
benzy2 said:
The vmax bullet is available through hornady in .30 caliber.
So I visited the Hornady web site to see. This is all they had in V-MAX .30 cal component bullets, which is 110 grain, I think a bit light for the .308 Win.

As for loaded ammunition, this AK-47 round in 123 grain is all they had. No .308 Win.

So anyway, looks like a normal-weight .308 Win bullet (147 to 185 grain) is not available in any form. Or, does Hornady sometimes have stuff available that's not listed on their web site? Also, there are a ton of different, specialized .308 Win rounds and component bullets that Hornady does sell for the .308 Win, and maybe one of these is similar to the V-MAX in performance characteristics? Anybody know?
 
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