Tell me about the 17 HMR

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I recently won a Marlin 917 vs 17 HMR from a gun raffle and know nothing of the round other than it is a neckdown 22 Mag. Pricing on the ammo tells me that it's not a round that you would want to shoot all day like the 22 lr. I get to pick it up this next week and will try it out.
 
Little bullet, explosive performance out of the vmax bullets. Little ice pick holes out of the fmj rounds. Match ammo has never really came around like it did for the 17hm2. That rifle tends to have a terrible factory trigger that can be worked a bit lighter with just a swap of the trigger spring and can be pretty darn good with a replacement trigger such as the rifle basix. Some shoot outstanding while other shoot ok. Most tend not to be a bad shooter. Mine is a bit inconsistent. Some days it shoots well and others things are all over the place. It tightened up with bedding but it has become too expensive to shoot as much as I would like. I load .223 up cheaper than I find 17hmr. I haven't seen a shot I would take with the .17hmr that I wouldn't with say a .22 hornet or even a .22mag. I would rather be able to reload the .22 hornet than use factory .17hmr ammo. That said having no cost into the rifle it is a fun little round if you are willing to pay the price to feed it.
 
Congratulations on winning the Marlin, dodge. They are fine rifles and the 17HMR is a hot little round.
I load .223 up cheaper than I find 17hmr.

That's the problem!
As benzy2 points out, the cost of the ammo is a downer. When it first came out, I could buy a box of Hornady's for around $6.95. Now you're lucky to to find it for twice that.
The price is right on the rifle, so expending a few rounds of 17HMR will be worth it.
Have fun and be safe.


NCsmitty
 
Fun little round, quite accurate, easy on the shoulder, and sufficient for near to mid range varminting.

A word of caution, however, is that little bitty bore is a PITA to clean.
 
I have the Marlin 917. Horrible trigger, but after I installed a Rifle Basix trigger assembly, this thing rocks. The 17hmr is pricey, but very accurate.
 
I have two a Savage 93R17 FV and a little Mossberg 817, I love the 17HMR the round IMHO is super accurate, I put 25 rounds out of a new rifle back to back and had one big jagged hole the size of a quarter. I think this could have been smaller but I was having fun chewing the 10 ring up.

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People often complain about the cost of .17 HMR ammo, but I just don't see the gripe. Sure, it's not .22 LR, but neither is the performance. And it may also be cheaper to reload other centerfire cartridges, such as .223 or .22 Hornet, but then again we don't all reload. The beauty of the .17 HMR is that, for non-reloaders, it gives you premium-bullet performance at the lowest price, except possibly the .17 HM2, which isn't as readily available. I've heard some say they can get .223 for the same or a similar price. I've not personally seen that, but I suspect that those who make the claim are using Wolf FMJ .223 or the like for comparison. Seriously, in what other cartridge can you get 50 rounds with V-Max bullets for under $15?
 
Wasn't there an issue recently with Remington ammo and their rifles? I thought there was a recall on everything Remington put out.
 
The marlin 17's, almost allways, need to have the bbl channel sanded out some.
Oh sure, testing the freefloat with a dollar bill, inside your nice cold house, it prly won't touch anything. but get it on an outdoor range, in about 90 degree temps, and run about 25 rounds down through it fast; and watch that freefloat change, baby!!! so sand it out some, whether you think it needs it or not.
17's are an amazing little cartridge; some dudes get near 2700 fps from the muzzle; this is 30.06 speeds. With a 100 yd zero, it only rises .5 to 1 inch at 50 yds, depending on your scope setup; it only drops 3 inches at 150, and 7 inches at 200. Wind does start to have a bigger effect, once you get to 150 though; and by 200 yds, a 10 mph crosswind will move it 15 inches. Most dudes who primarily hunt with it, like a 125 yd zero, it gives them pretty much a dead on hold or top of head hold, all the way out to 170 yds.
it comes in a variety of makers, and 20 grainers also. the 20 grain solid points can have some amazing penetration; I've seen them enter a hog, smash a rib bone, penetrate the organs, and rest under the far side skin.
Accuracy wise, this has to be a top 5 most accurate cartridge ever made; very few rifles cannot do moa with them, at 100 yds. And that is right out of the box, no tweeks to the rifle.
Also, with the Marlin, you will want to either cut a coil of the trigger return spring, or replace it with either a bic pen spring clicky spring, or a harddrive door spring.
If hunting with it, a 3x9 or a 14 x power, max, should be fine. if paperpunching or wanting to make tiny little groups, I suggest the higher the better power. to see the holes on paper at 100 yds, you need at least an
18 x. I use 24's, and a lot of dudes will use a 32 or 36x fixed power.
test all ammos' that you can possibly buy, include some 20 grainers. but the 17's are better in trajectory, and when all else fails, try the winchesters; they seem to be a saving grace for a lot of folks.
Also I would def do a bbl break in; since the bullets are all copper washed, MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU EVEN FIRE IT, TO CLEAN OUT THE BBL!!!!!
this should be done for all rifles, of course, but it is very necessary for the 17's. Fast copper plated bullets, in a hi heat, tiny space, under lots of pressure; you are just asking for copper streaking inside your bbl.
I would clean after each round fired, for 5 rounds.
then shoot 5 rounds in a row, then clean, do this for 5 groups.
That should be enough.
this round, with the vmax tip, will absolutely BLOW UP small game, out to 100 yds, and take fox down no probs. So will the hollow points. Remember, this bullet is going faster at 100 yds, than a 22 mag is , at the muzzle!!!! Some folks say, you cannot shoot coyotes with it, the bullet is too small. I say, if you are confident in your shooting abilities, out to 100 yds, it is no probs, if hit in the boiler room.
I use it on all small varmints out to 150 , with ease, including fox. I won't do a coyote unless it is within 100 yds though, just my personal preference.
One more thing I have noticed on 17 hmrs; some take some time to come around. If it does not shoot moa right away, even after the above mentioned tweeks, don't fret yet. I know some dudes , that suddenly at 300 or 400 rounds fired through the tube, all the sudden their groups would start shrinking, sometimes as much as half the size.

Okay, last thing; get an hmr specifice cleaning kit,and don't mix the parts with your 22 kit.
best thing for cleaning, ALLWAYS PUSH THROUGH THE BRASS BRUSH, THEN TAKE IT OFF THE
CLEANING ROD!!! don't pull the brass brush back through. use a pushing jag for patches,
and allways push them through as well; don't get those little eyelet jags, and push/pull patches
through. just push them out the end. Also, your cleaning rod, make it a 1 piece carbon fiber, or coated rod only!!!! do not get a put together rod.
And finally; DO NOT USE 22 PATCHES, GET 17 cal SPECIFIC PATCHES!!! a 22 patch pushed into the bbl, will only cause you some severe problems.
 
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I find my CZ452 to shoot like a laser beam. It shoots very flat out to around 100 yards iirc

Best rimfire round ever developed in my humble opinion but as others have said, the price of the ammo is a real buzz kill - but the squirrels fear me with a rimfire again & I was able to put the shotgun up....it's so accurate I can pull off head shot only kills & still fill my bag. No more biting down on pellets.
 
... and the recalls were really bogus anyway. Keep the chamber clean, polish it when you get a chance. Keep the rails inside the reciever clean, and take the rails out, polish them, and put them back in just finger tight, and just enough to close it back up, no tighter. The problems with this started at the factory. And keeping the chamber clean will stop it from fireing out of battery.
 
I had a Savage 93R17. I could never get it to shoot as well as some here nor as well as I'd like (though I can with my AR, so it's at least not all me), and the ammo was real expensive. It costs me the same or less to shoot 69gr SMKs out of my AR. Consequently I sold it to fund a Savage .260 Rem project. However, if I ever have the coin, those bolt-action Weatherby MK22's look real nice, and I might consider .17 HMR again.
 
Caught the the 17HMR bug several years ago. I started with an Anschutz and liked it so much I bought another one for the wife, then purchased a Cooper M57 and it's a really nice rifle too, then went on to buy a NEF sportster and a Ruger M77/17 so yeah you could say I like the little .17 cal.


I have taken plenty of squirrel, crow,coyote, javelina and a couple of feral hogs with them. They are pretty flat shooting out to 120 yards or so then the start to drop a a good rate.
Have shot out to 250 yards but the bullet lacks the speed for dependable expansion for any bigger that squirrel. Shots kept to 100 yards or so do well on yotes. The longest shot on a bigger animal was a javelina at 130 yds through the lungs, it simply dropped in it's tracks.

I believe all the 17HMR ammo regardless of brand is made by CCI. With that said,the original Hornady 17gr Vmax shoot the best in all my rifles. Like others have said I remember when the ammo was $6-$7 a box but the price has really risen as of lately, more than double in the past 5 years.

The 17 HMR are not for everyone but they have filled a niche for my needs.


Here's a Annie and a Cooper, both with 6.5x20 Zeiss scopes.

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Henry chambers their Golden Boy levergun for .17HMR. A shooting buddy of mine has a bolt-action Savage in that chambering. He's used it on prairie dogs with resounding success. He says it works waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than .22LR, although it also costs a ton more (as has been said). It's a fast little sucker, and according to him, the prairie dogs practically explode when hit with it for a quick humane kill.
 
The results with the vmax are devastating. The bullets basically explode turning the target into goo. That is good for pests but I have had to switch to FMJ or the TNT on squirrels as it either destroys too much meat or it leaves nothing of a head left making it a bit harder to clean up afterward. On things that you don't plan to eat the results are devastating. A few pest birds have turned into nothing more than a cloud of feathers. Price of ammo is really the only thing that holds me back from shooting mine more. While other chamberings can match a lot of the HMR's strong points if you don't have a rifle in those chamberings it doesn't much matter.

I really do like the round and the rifle I have. I just can't justify the price for ammo being setup to reload. If I plink I shoot .22lr. If I hunt something that needs more than a .22lr I have a .223 with a few different loads of blue dot that will run anywhere from 22mag speeds up. I do see where the round is a fun alternative to those who don't reload. Its a bit louder than .22lr, still has no recoil, makes mist of small critters within its range, and is still relatively inexpensive compared to factory centerfire rounds. For the price it has left my every day shooting but its still fun to pull out now and then when a few interested new shooters want to see what its about. Its real enjoyment for me is shooting targets that will turn to mist when hit, be that fruit, soda/water bottles, or animals.
 
It works great for a friend of mine out of a Ruger on rodents around the farm, not to many ricochets........... Scarry accurate out of the rifles I have seen.....

Nice guns DoubleA

Tony
 
Marlin 917 owner here. It's a great little rifle, but there is some room for improvement. As a factory stock rifle, mine would shoot about .75" - 1" on the average. I recently had mine accurized by a gunsmith and the group sizes are halved.

If you're not going to sink a lot of cash into the gun, the best thing I'd recommend doing is swapping triggers. I replaced my stock trigger with one from RifleBasix and am much happier.

10 rounds, 100yds, NRA 100yd smallbore target (1" X-ring)
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10 rounds, 50yds, 3/4" black paster
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I recently picked up some Hornady v-max ammo from Natchez Shooters Supply. If you buy in lots of 500 rounds, it's $10 per box of 50.
 
... and the recalls were really bogus anyway. Keep the chamber clean, polish it when you get a chance. Keep the rails inside the reciever clean, and take the rails out, polish them, and put them back in just finger tight, and just enough to close it back up, no tighter. The problems with this started at the factory. And keeping the chamber clean will stop it from fireing out of battery.

Well, it is possible for a dirty chamber to prevent the cartridge from chambering fully and that can cause a KABOOM.

However there have been several reports of 17HMR semis going KABOOM with pristine chambers. I've personally pried the remains of a blown case out of the chamber and there wasn't a speck of dirt in it.

I realize it is tempting to believe that KABOOMs are caused by something you can control and thereby prevent, but they aren't.
 
...Yes, and for remington that is caused by their faulty installation at the factory, of the guide rails, they are overtight. As mentioned above, this problem is easily solved, by taking them out, and then putting them back in, just finger tight, and just enough to close the action back up.
If I were to get a new one or even a used one, after i fixed the rails, then I would do this- as well as any other semi auto 17, m2, aguila, you name it.
take an empty case, slather it with toothpaste or JB borepaste, and also all on the inside of the reciever, and in the back on the op rod, and op rod spring.
Hand work the action about 1 million times. then take a 1 piece cleaning rod, put down the muzzle end, until it goes into the empty case.
work the cleaning rod , manually against the recoil fo the bolt assy., another million times.
I have done this with a marlin m2, and when done, the inside of the chamber looked mirror like , and the outside of the case, looked like a bright, shiny, piece of butterscotch candy!!! Both were slicker than snot on a doorknob.
 
I kill lots of big hogs with head shots and even a shoulder shot now and then (we are overrun with hogs in my part of Texas, so no big deal) at 100-150 yds. it is cheaper than using a centerfire on pests.
 
Hello. I bought a Mossberg 817 .17 HMR rifle a few months ago. So far, inbetween the bad weather, I have sighted it in at just over 50 yards with pretty good results.

However, I find the the trigger-pull is extremely stiff and would like to modify it to a more realistic amount of tension! Any suggestions on this are appreciated : )

Below is a 6-shot group at just over 50 yards.....

many thanks,
"Smitty"
 

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