22 magnum rounds.

[MikeNice]

I actually went out and did a little testing with the Dynapoint, Super X, and CCI Maxi-Mag loads. I put them all through water jugs using a 3.75" barrel Heritage Rough Rider.

Let me start by saying that none of them were duds. I shot all three boxes of fifty that day. They all went bang.

As expected none of them expanded at all when hitting the water. I guess there just isn't enough velocity out of the short barrel. There was little difference in performance between the CCI and Super-X. The CCI and Super-X both made it in to the fourth jug of water on three out of three shots. They were usually just laying on the bottom near the back wall.

The Dynapoints were less than impressive. One never made it out of the third jug. One stuck in the front wall of the third jug. The third shot was actually held in the the jug by the nutrition information sticker on the back of the third jug. They were not producing anywhere near the energy of the CCI and Super-X bullet. Not a big deal with a rabbit or squirrel. A big deal if you are trying to use it for self defense.

What did suprise me was a box of Remmington pointed soft point ammo. It easily made it in to the third jug and showed 10 - 12% expansion. Not an amazing amout of expansion, but expansion all the same. It might not load well in an auto loader. It works fine in a revolver though. It had no duds in the 50 round box I shot.

 

[JR47]

one slight problem with the Dynapoints - as they are less expensive, 45 grains instead of 40, "plated" instead of an actual "jacket", plus an uncertain muzzle velocity make this round better reserved for pistols and close range.

Odd, that uncertain muzzle velocity. You do mean the 1550 fps posted by Winchester? Right?

I've been using it in my old Marlin 782 for a while now. It shoots into 2" @ 100 yards. My neighbor, who also has a Marlin 782, used Federal 50 gr. WMR loads, at 1530 fps. The Winchester beat it handily at 100 yards, in both guns.

 

[x_wrench]

the only good thing i can say about the dyna points is that they do go bang every time i pull the trigger. they shoot the worst groups out of my gun that has ever come out of it. think of it this way, you can buy two boxes of dyna point for the price of one good box. but you are going to need all those extra rounds to get the same amount of kills (or bullseyes) as you would get with the good stuff.

 

[mustang_steve]

Dynapoints work pretty well in Derringers, although their velocities leave something to be desired. I was able to get single-handed 5" groups with my Cobra derringer at 20ft, which isn't bad for a pistol with the handling characteristics it has. Provided I get about 3" groups with CCI Maxi-mags...but those tend to get pressure-welded into the chamber..I get tired of using dowel rods to empty the pistol.

 

[CZguy]

Good analogy x_wrench. I've had the same results.

 

[JR47]

they shoot the worst groups out of my gun that has ever come out of it. think of it this way, you can buy two boxes of dyna point for the price of one good box. but you are going to need all those extra rounds to get the same amount of kills (or bullseyes) as you would get with the good stuff.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's been my experience that the Dynapoints work quite well out of my 782, and that of the neighbor. As such, I don't need all those extra rounds to get the same hit vs. kill ratio.

That's the problem with blanket statements, they tend to cover up the real problems. Does your .22 Mag rifle carry it out to less than 2" at 100 yards, off-hand?

 

[CZguy]

JR47,

You have just stated the well know principle that all .22s have different ammo preferences. My CZ 452 Varmint likes CCI Maxi Mags, but shoots Dyna-points like a shotgun at 100 yards.

I have an old Marlin 60 that actually prefers Remington ammo. Go figure.

 

[vol45]

22 Mag has always been one of my favorite rounds, bought a Ruger single six in 1976 wich I still have and it is very accurate with 22 Mag. But I just want to advize that many ranges restrict 22 mag due to richocet. 22mag is considered a high velocity round and being light has a tendency to bounce around. Experience speaking here-shoot varmints or paper only.

 

[Dr.Rob]

CCI has been my favorite out of a rifle. There are a number of imported brands available now too. I've been meaning to get some from Armscor to try.

 

[osprey176]

The best way I know to decide what ammo to use is to simply ask the rifle.Try a box of every different type you can find and shoot them at a good bench.The most accurate one gets my vote.Nothing wrong with a little trigger time,right?

 

[bhk]

If Dynapoints shoot ok in you particular rifle, you have the best of both worlds. Use a full-power load like CCI or Winchester Super-X for varmints, and use Dynapoints for edible small game. Perfect! What good be better?

 

[ms6852]

I just now bought two boxes of the Winchester Supreme 34 grain JHP's. They were a little more expensive by 100% over the dynapoints and the Winchester Super X. I am slowly building up a cache as to see which brands I will be shooting the most. They were $13.99 per box. Academy, Walmart, and local gunstore were out of 22 mags. Bass Pro had only these available. Am now looking to buy CCI maxi- mags.

Anyone know of a good link with tables showing velocities for each brand of 22 mag?

 

[20x12ga]

I'll be willing to bet the Maxi mags shoot better than most.I have tried many and have shot them in more than one .22Mag. and they have All shot better in the ones I've tried. Good Luck

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The .22 mag Win dynapoint round duplicates the old .22 special as they both shoot 45 grain heads at 1550 fps giving 255 ft pds.

For those of us who have toyed with using .22 WRF (Winchester RimFire) aka .22 Remington Special as a less meat destructive small game round in our .22 WMR rifles, the .22 Mag Dynapoint is a better option.

I have an old Savage single shot bolt action (mannlicher stock and ignition key style kiddie trigger lock built in) and a Taurus pumpaction in .22 WMR. I have never had a misfire out of hundreds of rounds with either gun. And plus on the CCI being reliable ammo. It is just that I have found (so far) no .22 mag that skimps on reliablity. At the range, I have found discarded .22 WMR cartridges, but they were light strikes. When I clean any of my rimfire guns I make sure that the firing pins are not gummed up and that they move freely. Even so, bulk .22 LR will give an unfortunate high number of non-fires: rotate them so the firing pin strikes the opposite side of the rim and 80% will fire. I have not encountered poor priming in rimfire magnums.

 

[JR47]

I have a stash of CCI .22 WMR that works really well in my Marlin 922M. I've also just purchased a brick of Fiocchi to try. I have some Armscorp .22 WMR for research, as well.

I'm just happy that the Winchester .22 WMR is available for $7.77/50 locally, and works well in my 782.

It also shoots quite well out of my 4" Model 941.

I do not envision any SD work with my .22 WMR weapons. If it becomes necessary, 1550 fps, 45 gr., and 255 ft/lbs of energy beats a lot of .38 Special loads.

 

[bhk]

I do not envision any SD work with my .22 WMR weapons. If it becomes necessary, 1550 fps, 45 gr., and 255 ft/lbs of energy beats a lot of .38 Special loads.

Yea, but you are comparing magnum RIFLE numbers with .38 special HANDGUN numbers. Not a fair comparison.

 

[Jefferson Herb]

I find the Fiocchi is ok in my Ruger,used to buy pmc now discontinued,and have a quantity of soft point as well as other stuff.I prefer 30 gr stuff for pistol and varment,and soft point for hunting,or if forced to use sd.I can't remember ever having a misfire,and due to the 17hmr,we now have more 22mag choices than ever ;thanks guys.

 

[JTHunter]

JR47 - it may be that my rifle, a Marlin 983, is just too new. I've only put about 100 rounds through it so far and that was to get it sighted-in using 40 gr. plated RN solids. After about 10 rounds each of Federal, Remington, Winchester, and CCI solids (all 40 gr.), I tried the Dynapoints and found the accuracy below that of the others. One round would be a little low but the next round would be high (or left to right), all while the rifle was on a "shooting rest".

 

[JR47]

Yea, but you are comparing magnum RIFLE numbers with .38 special HANDGUN numbers. Not a fair comparison.

Well, the only thing that we've been talking about using the load in were rifles. It wasn't meant to be an apples-to-apples comparison. If I'm going to be able to pick my self-defense scenario, I'll be using my M14 (TRW).

The Marlin 983, like any rim-fire, likes some ammo better than others. That doesn't, however, mean that the ammo won't shoot in anybody else's gun. It rankles me to hear pompous statements like "that ammo is a POS" coming from some Internet Commando because it won't shoot out of their gun.

As for the gun being new. Yes, it may not have settled into it's preferences yet. As with many other rounds, it seems that the most accurate ones aren't the hottest ones.

Good luck with your gun. Keep shooting, and looking at different loads. Most of all, enjoy.

 

[JTHunter]

Thanks JR. It may be like a lot of other things (cars, guns, {women}) that seem to function better when used/worked regularly.
As for the speed of the bullets, I found that out in the so-called "hyper-velocity" .22 rounds years ago. Oddly enough, in my .243 I tested loads ranging from the minimum to the maximum loads for that bullet weight. My most accurate results were in the loads within 1/4 grain of the max powder loads.
Go figure.

 

[bangaway]

I have just read velovity data from the Kel-tec 30. Dynapoints at 1160 fps and 2.5 inch group at 25 yards. By compatison: 30 grain CCI V-max gave 1518 fps and 2.33 inch. Rem. 40 grain psp gave 1209 fps with 2.5 inch groups. All 150 rounds fired.

 

[bangaway]

CCI has come out with a 40 grain gold dot shell that mushrooms in to six petals. None in my area yet. Has anyone fired any of these? How do they compare with the dynapoints? Have fun and bangaway.