22 short why not 22lr

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The resulting product was the .45 GAP which had a tendency to blow up guns.
I don't understand why that would be true, it operated at the same pressure (23,000psi) as .45ACP +P which doesn't have any sort of reputation for blowing up guns. That's lower pressure than 9mm (35,000psi) and certainly lower than 10mm (37,500psi) and way lower than .357SIG (40,000psi) all of which are chambered for similar firearms.

I also don't remember hearing about a significant number of incidents with .45 GAP.
 
You can, lots of firearms can shoot shorts, longs and long rifle.

The problem with lots of semiautos is power or feeding and ejection but they do exist. Less common these days but so are short and long rounds.

This is a pump action 572 rifle that works with all of them.

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The semiauto version of it, Remington 552 also works with S, L & LR. They are far from the only ones that do.
Indeed, I've had both and they fired and the 552 worked fine with Shorts. I'v never had a revolver not work with shorts. I had a IJ Cadet that spit lead, but it did it with everything, including Shorts and LR, Colibris to mini-mags.
 
The remington 552 has light enuogh recoil spring to reliably fire the .22 short rimfire.
In fact you can load a mishmash of .22 short, long and longrifle in a Remington 552 magazine and reliably fire them in any order.
The under powered recoil spring is to accomidate .22 short's recoil, the long and long rifle rounds recoil harder and thats the reason for the large rubber recoil buffer in the back of the bolt assy to handle the stiffer recoiling rounds in this particular semi-automatic.
It was designed as a gallery rifle.
Darn, I pulled a Hookeye!
 
Well, people must have figured out that when you can't get 22LR, shorts will do. Looks like SGAmmo has gotten a new shipment in and prices are up considerably.

I think shorts are fun and a bit of a throwback. Its fun to stuff 24 of them into the 39A and I went as far as to pick up a browning rifle chambered in 22 short that is a nice little piece. I will say that for whatever reason, I have found the HVHP shorts to be surprisingly destructive on game. No idea why, but I have found they seem to do more damage than standard velocity 22LR.
 
Some semi-auto rifles like the 10/22 can be problematic but there are solutions. Need a light weight alloy bolt assembly and a special "short" magazine to feed correctly. Volquartsen and some others do make conversions for the short.


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I have one of these conversions on a 10/22 and it's incredibly accurate.
 
Feeding has more to do with "can't" use shorts in a 22LR firearm than anything. The shorter length of 22 shorts can bind up some feeding mechanisms such as magazines or elevators. In semi-autos that were designed to shoot 22LR, you may not have enough power behind a 22 short to cycle the action, but they usually will still shoot. I know my Ruger 10/22 will shoot 22 shorts fine but it turns into a bolt action. For the most part, bolt actions and revolvers can use 22 short. The only way to tell for sure is crab a box and try it out. Harder than it sounds since I can't remember the last time I found 22 short without looking online.
 
The only way to tell for sure is crab a box and try it out. Harder than it sounds since I can't remember the last time I found 22 short without looking online.

Yep. I usually find .22 shorts on the shelf in gun shops exactly when I'm not looking for .22 shorts. I make a point to pick some up when I see them, though. The shorter brass sure makes shooting my short ejector rod Bearcat Shopkeeper an easier process.
 
Yikes! A kid would not save any money/sweat buying shorts today!

I have to say the reason the JROTC rifle team was attractive to me was the "free" ammo and trigger time.

On a bring your own rifle day I did shoot lower prone supported scores at 50 feet with shorts than with old style Winchester Super X LR in my Click Clack. That target with the bullseye 10 spot the size of one of the periods in this text does not allow BS-ing about accuracy and many a youngster those years left school that day disappointed in their old "shoots squirrel in the eye at FIFTY YARDS!!!!" hunting rifle. Awfully big squirrels out at their place it seems....

-kBob
 
I don't understand why that would be true, it operated at the same pressure (23,000psi) as .45ACP +P which doesn't have any sort of reputation for blowing up guns. That's lower pressure than 9mm (35,000psi) and certainly lower than 10mm (37,500psi) and way lower than .357SIG (40,000psi) all of which are chambered for similar firearms.

I also don't remember hearing about a significant number of incidents with .45 GAP.
This.
 
.22 shorts are the only ammo I've been able to find for the last few weeks.

Fortunately, I have a couple of .22 revolvers to shoot them in. I've been doing a lot of strong hand only/weak hand only practice at 7 yards.
i have a old mossberg model 220k and i love to hunt squirrels using 22 shorts but i can't get shorts around here!
 
One of my best gun buying decisions ever was to pick up a Browning SA 22 short when CDNN had them several years back. It has become my favorite plinking rifle and would be one of the very last guns I'd ever sell.
 
Well; after being inspired by this thread, I just had to take the 22 mag. cylinder out of my Ruger Single 6 Convertible, put in the 22LR cylinder, load it with shorts and proceed to shoot it. Very interesting. I've heard of using shorts in 22LR stuff but never tried it in anything that wasn't marked; "Short. Long & Long Rifle". Someday when I'm at the range and have the chronograph with me I should chrono those shorts and also punch some paper with them just for comparison with 22LR and 22Mag. rounds. Already have chronograph data for those two. Be interesting to compare all 3.
 
230RN has the answer to "why Can't"

The short, even in modern loadings, leaves a ring of lube and unburnt powder in the LR chamber. This is not as noticable to folks that regularly switch back and forth as to someone that uses Shorts for many rounds over time. Even with modern ammo the ring of goo that can build up in the chamber can get to the point where it is difficult or occasionally even impossible to seat a LR in that chamber.

The answer to the lube and powder build up is a deep dark secret no one ever talks about called "cleaning your rifle or pistol" A few quick strokes and twists with a brass bore brush and the issue is usually gone. Now if the firearm stood out in someone's barn being shot for thirty years firing nothing but shorts and that ring sort of petrified in the chamber it may take a bit more work.

As with any gunk in the barrel that ring can retain water against the steel and rather than Erosion cause rust which can be a problem.

As a kid, a bud had an old single shot that his dad and granddad had shot nothing but shorts in though it was clearly marked S, L, &LR.

A loaded LR just would not chamber. After looking a bit we could see that ring of goo and tried to remove it with patches as that was what we had. No joy. So we took a spent LR case from my rifle and inserted it in his chamber up until it stopped, then attempted to close the bolt and it would not go fully forward. So we took off one of my brogans and used the heel to drive the bolt fully closed ... 12 year old boy brains at work!!!

Brief panic that bolt would not retract, but hey we got this low top boot we used for a hammer to close the thing with right here, so we hammered it open. The extracted shell had crud in the mouth of it. It functioned as a scraper. We used our patches to clean the chamber again and visually found the ring MUCH reduced and then shot LR in his rifle when he could afford it.

Sometimes it is merely hard to chamber LR in such a short used chamber but sometimes it is difficult to extract a LR that was forced in and shot anyway. In fact some folks notice the issue more on extraction than loading and so assume it is an extractor issue. Same cure.

I know, I know! No one EVER cleans a .22, but sometimes under some conditions it ain't a bad idea... and it gives you and excuse to shoot up more ammo plinking to "condition your bore" and "test your action" after a good cleaning

-kBob
Yep and that applies to those of us shooting 38 specials, especially wad cutters in 357 Mag revolvers. Or 44 Specials in 44 Mag for that matter.
 
They will load and feed from my MK I magazine. The action needs to be cycled manually. They are very quiet by themselves. Excellent for dispatching animals in traps.
 
Thread update - Went to the range last Wed.. Took the chronograph for some other stuff but remembered to bring the Single 6 with the 22LR cylinder in it. Chronographed 2 different brands of 22 short; some CCI Shorts and some Polish 22 Short that Graf and Sons had for sale about 10 years ago. Along with some Wolf Match Target 22LR. IMG_0010.JPG .. The Polish 22 Shorts (advertised as olympic match ammo ) averaged 798 fps.. The CCI Shorts ( 29 gr. bullet claimed to be going 1080fps - From a rifle, perhaps? ) averaged 1059 fps out of the 5.5" Single 6 barrel. The Wolf Match Target 22LR was only doing 937 fps average. That surprised me, as I was expecting more than that from a 22LR round. Last time I chronographed some CCI Blazer 40 gr. 22LR through that gun they were running about 1164 fps. It was interesting and I was surprised at the CCI 22 Short @ 1059 fps. Wasn't expecting much from 22 Shorts but what do I know? I know they work on small game & tin cans but didn't realize they were going faster than I thought. Just for comparison CCI .22 Mag. ammo with a 35 gr. bullet gets about 1503 fps out of that gun. Didn't do any formal 22 Short accuracy tests other than some clay pigeons on the berm @ 25 yds. and it did OK on those when I didn't wiggle the sights and had good trigger control. Never messed around with 22 shorts in a handgun before but this is getting interesting.
 
Never messed around with 22 shorts in a handgun before but this is getting interesting.

They're a lot of fun, aren't they. Shorts are my personal preference for pest control, especially around my chickens. Though loud, they aren't obnoxious like a 22 WMR is. I'd be interested to see how they perform in the accuracy department from your single six. They're not bad out of mine, but like you said, I have to do my part in holding the darn gun still!

Mac
 
My sons first buck was shot at about 20 yards, we knew he was bedded down in a patch of prairie. He got up and made it to said distance and nosed dived into the soft prairie ground. It took two of us to pull his antlers out of the soil. We sat there for several minutes trying to find out where he hit it. only a little blood on the tongue. After several minutes I looked down and the buck was breathing. I had a Beretta 950 minx in .22 short on me. I shot the buck twice through both lungs to dispatch it. While butchering the buck we came to some interesting findings. First my son hit the buck at the base of the skull and bullet went out the bottom jaw knocking out the two middle bottom teeth. Secondly both shots from the .22 short hit a rib and then proceeded to pass all the way through the deer's body and breaking ribs on the opposite side then coming to rest between the skin and the muscle. I still have both .22 short bullets and had pictures of the whole scenario but lost them on photobucket.
 
22 Shorts seem to be more potent than I thought, and then I realized that the only thing I've ever done with them was plinking. My dad often used 22 Shorts in his old Winchester Model 67 for small game in the mid to late 1930's and spoke highly of them in terms of "bang for the buck" because they were less expensive than 22LR or 22 Longs. Now that the Model 67 resides in my gun safe, I ought to chronograph some 22 shorts out of it and perhaps even take it out squirrel hunting this fall. Be interesting to see the velocity differences between the Model 67 and the 5.5" barreled revolver. Good thing I have some 22 shorts handy because the shelves were bare last time I was in the place where I usually buy ammo and I hear all the mail order places also ran dry.
 
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