223 with a Dillon 1050
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Yea. I understand that I can't do all the case prep in one pass.
I was thinking about setting up one tool head just to do case prep. This way I can process a bunch of brass and reload it when I need it and I can sell off some of my extra brass that I have.
I was thinking about setting up one tool head just to do case prep. This way I can process a bunch of brass and reload it when I need it and I can sell off some of my extra brass that I have.
good advice so far in this thread. i also use a 1050, giraud trimmer and a ball powder (one of the accurate data powders usually, like 2230-c).
trimming is still a PITA and i wish there was a better solution.
the swager is awesome and a definite reason to buy a 1050. HOWEVER make sure you get ONCE-FIRED brass and NOT never-fired brass with primers made chemically inert.
i haven't got the bullet feeder yet, but i would like one.
trimming is still a PITA and i wish there was a better solution.
the swager is awesome and a definite reason to buy a 1050. HOWEVER make sure you get ONCE-FIRED brass and NOT never-fired brass with primers made chemically inert.
i haven't got the bullet feeder yet, but i would like one.
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It is loud and not cheap but the Dillon trimmer does 1800 cases an hour no sweat. I run two size/expander dies on a 650 one before the trim and another after. The only after (and the one in station #2 of the 1050 and expander on #3) iron out any sharp edges after the cases are trimmed.
yeah, i looked at that a couple years ago, but just couldn't justify the price tag of a dedicated 650.
even if i could afford it, i don't have room on the bench, or room for another bench.
can that thing do 223 and 308 w/o changing anything?
even if i could afford it, i don't have room on the bench, or room for another bench.
can that thing do 223 and 308 w/o changing anything?
dc.fireman
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the 1050 seems like it was practically made for the volume military brass - a couple of things I can tell you from experience:
1. make certain the bench is locked down. I was getting some powder spillage from mine, which means cleaning the press internals with a higher frequency.
2. using a decent ball or stick powder (AA 2230, 2460; Varget, IMR4895/H4895). The powder charging station is fairly accurate - within .1 to .2 gr. variance. The powder check station is what I seem to have a fair amount of trouble getting to work consistently.
3. There is a short-stroke prevention tab on the back - it can snap if you short stroke the press.
4. My case feeder worked well when it was new - I'm having some issues with cases getting lodged under the shell feed plate now - I've adjusted 'til the cows came home, without much luck.
5. My COAL have a typical variance of around .001-.002" - using Sierra SMK HPBT 69's.
6. The entire operation takes a little tinkering, but when it runs, it really runs - my output has usually been around 600 per hour, stopping only to refill the various hoppers, trays, and feeders.
My advice - get one, if you want volume/stockpile ammo, go a different route if you're looking for benchrest ammo.
Some of the parts that I'd say aren't optional - the low primer sensor, the enlarged bullet tray, and the extra large Akro bin for holding finished ammo (it fills up fast!), and the assembly DVD made life a lot easier (it comes shipped in three parts).
I like Dillons dies - they're on the higher end of die prices, but they're well thought out designs. Get some locking die rings - they don't come with them.
PM me if you have other questions, good luck.
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1. make certain the bench is locked down. I was getting some powder spillage from mine, which means cleaning the press internals with a higher frequency.
2. using a decent ball or stick powder (AA 2230, 2460; Varget, IMR4895/H4895). The powder charging station is fairly accurate - within .1 to .2 gr. variance. The powder check station is what I seem to have a fair amount of trouble getting to work consistently.
3. There is a short-stroke prevention tab on the back - it can snap if you short stroke the press.
4. My case feeder worked well when it was new - I'm having some issues with cases getting lodged under the shell feed plate now - I've adjusted 'til the cows came home, without much luck.
5. My COAL have a typical variance of around .001-.002" - using Sierra SMK HPBT 69's.
6. The entire operation takes a little tinkering, but when it runs, it really runs - my output has usually been around 600 per hour, stopping only to refill the various hoppers, trays, and feeders.
My advice - get one, if you want volume/stockpile ammo, go a different route if you're looking for benchrest ammo.
Some of the parts that I'd say aren't optional - the low primer sensor, the enlarged bullet tray, and the extra large Akro bin for holding finished ammo (it fills up fast!), and the assembly DVD made life a lot easier (it comes shipped in three parts).
I like Dillons dies - they're on the higher end of die prices, but they're well thought out designs. Get some locking die rings - they don't come with them.
PM me if you have other questions, good luck.
-tc
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I use the 650's for pistol loads and already had a conversion for .223, so I used it instead of the 1050 with another tool head. Now that I have the 1050 auto drive I might put the trimmer on it.
You cannot just go from 223 to 308. You have to the whole caliber conversion and of course the dies are different.
dc.fireman
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In fact, they're actually a kind of soft steel, easily nicked and rounded by their 1" bench wrench...
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I had a horrible time getting my 1050 tuned in with .223. Finally figured out it was a brass issue coupled with an out of spec sizing die.
It's a nice press for volume loading.
With that much brass, I'd just ship it to TJ Conevera and have them process it for you on Scharch machines. That's what I have done.
It's a nice press for volume loading.
With that much brass, I'd just ship it to TJ Conevera and have them process it for you on Scharch machines. That's what I have done.
Any idea how much they charge to run it through their Scharch?
The only drawback that I see to the Scharch is that it reams the primer pocket and I would prefer to swag it and that is the extent the Scharch does to processing?
If I run it through a 1050, I can produce fully processed cases. Of course at a slower rate.
The only drawback that I see to the Scharch is that it reams the primer pocket and I would prefer to swag it and that is the extent the Scharch does to processing?
If I run it through a 1050, I can produce fully processed cases. Of course at a slower rate.
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Been a while since the last time I had some done. Can't remember the pricing.
Reaming and swaging are like Ford v Chevy. In the end, they get the same result and neither is better than the other.
The Scharch machines will also inspect it for integrity and cull the unsafe brass.
Reaming and swaging are like Ford v Chevy. In the end, they get the same result and neither is better than the other.
The Scharch machines will also inspect it for integrity and cull the unsafe brass.
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There are cons to loading 223 on a 1050? I didn't know...
Get an extra toolhead, setup a carbide sizing die, trimmer, and a Lyman M-Die. Process it through, switch the head, and then load it with a universal decap in station 1. Double swage insures that even the most stubborn crimp will come out, M-die takes care of any interior burrs. Get the KISS feeder, works like a champ.
If you have the scratch, automate it, it is worth it for the trimming, not so much on the loading.
Get an extra toolhead, setup a carbide sizing die, trimmer, and a Lyman M-Die. Process it through, switch the head, and then load it with a universal decap in station 1. Double swage insures that even the most stubborn crimp will come out, M-die takes care of any interior burrs. Get the KISS feeder, works like a champ.
If you have the scratch, automate it, it is worth it for the trimming, not so much on the loading.
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