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http://www.ammo-one.com/22Box-WinMilitaryPlainWhiteBox.html
I have also seen GI .22LR ammo loaded with FMJ bullets.
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I have also seen GI .22LR ammo loaded with FMJ bullets.
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They would be extremely quiet.
Cesiumsponge
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Actually I can hold quarter sized groups at 100 yards with my (upgraded) 10/22. People routinely compete to 200 yards with the .22. Check out Mini Palma shooting. Several of the links specifically said it was for canine control and "kinda lethal" crowd control targeting the lower extremities where rubber rounds were too weak and 5.56mm was overkill.
Deltaboy1984
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From interviews I have done for my college classes on OSS in WW 2 They have been used to assonant people , kill the enemy and get our boys out of harms way. Bottom line it this while the 22 LR is a tiny rim fire it has put meat in the pot and men in the grave for decades. And as it has been said " Dead is Dead wither from a 44 mag or a 22 LR.
husbandofaromanian
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I routinly shoot my 22lr G2 pistol with silencer out to 300 yards. I don't know why 22lr has a reputation of 100 yards or less. All you have to be able to do is compensate for the extreme drop.
TEDDY
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I belive the 22 springfield was post WW1.we had Hi Standard 22s in navy air.
for pistol practice.one officer took his apart and could not put it together,so they gave it to me and I assembled it.one more atta boy for me,as I had fixed all the S&W 38s that they could not open to empty.the 22 is an excelent gun to silence as I have shot a ruger and sounded like an airgun
"puft".
I belive the 22 springfield was post WW1.we had Hi Standard 22s in navy air.
for pistol practice.one officer took his apart and could not put it together,so they gave it to me and I assembled it.one more atta boy for me,as I had fixed all the S&W 38s that they could not open to empty.the 22 is an excelent gun to silence as I have shot a ruger and sounded like an airgun
"puft".
Darth AkSarBen
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Put 100 rounds of .22 LR in your coat pocket. Notice the bulk and weight? Now empty and put 100 rounds of .223 or 7.62x39 Soviet in your pocket. Notice a lot heavier and bulkier?
It has been said that the lowly .22 LR has the most efficient use of powder of all the rounds. Velocity, penetration and danger out of a little package that uses around a grain of powder. For it's size, it has been a deadly encounter of the small kind. Massad Ayoob talked about a woman that was accosted by a former BF that threatened her. All she had as a little .22 pistol she borrowed from her son, and it was one of those cheap and short barreled pistols to boot. Ex-boyfriend breaks down her door yelling I'm killing you and she shoots him 3 times, at which he retreats back out of her house and collapses in her front yard and dies.
Robert Kennedy scummed to a .22 as well as look what happened to James Brady with the attempt on President Reagan, along with the others.
It is small, it is not so loud that you can pinpoint it out in the open, and it is as common as weeds. Perhaps the common part is why it is such a great last chance weapon. Nearly everyone in any house, would have .22 ammo. Not sure what the statistic is on the amount of .22 LR ammo, but I bet it's in the billions.. Like McDonald's ....billions and billions served.
It has been said that the lowly .22 LR has the most efficient use of powder of all the rounds. Velocity, penetration and danger out of a little package that uses around a grain of powder. For it's size, it has been a deadly encounter of the small kind. Massad Ayoob talked about a woman that was accosted by a former BF that threatened her. All she had as a little .22 pistol she borrowed from her son, and it was one of those cheap and short barreled pistols to boot. Ex-boyfriend breaks down her door yelling I'm killing you and she shoots him 3 times, at which he retreats back out of her house and collapses in her front yard and dies.
Robert Kennedy scummed to a .22 as well as look what happened to James Brady with the attempt on President Reagan, along with the others.
It is small, it is not so loud that you can pinpoint it out in the open, and it is as common as weeds. Perhaps the common part is why it is such a great last chance weapon. Nearly everyone in any house, would have .22 ammo. Not sure what the statistic is on the amount of .22 LR ammo, but I bet it's in the billions.. Like McDonald's ....billions and billions served.
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Col Rex Applegate wrote a lot about the use of 22lr in combat. orchidhunter
lonegunman
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22LR is still commonly used for practice, pest control, competition, survival and some clandstine use. Judging from the types of ammunition I have seen in inventories the military had millions of rounds in stock for years.
Ohio Gun Guy
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"I routinly shoot my 22lr G2 pistol with silencer out to 300 yards. I don't know why 22lr has a reputation of 100 yards or less. All you have to be able to do is compensate for the extreme drop."
I agree about the distance. I grew up in the flat lands of NW Ohio and routinly shot at greater ranges than 100 yds. HOWEVER, the bullets do not have any "Mustard" on them when they get there. That is why people consider them to have an effective range of 100 yds. Would I want to be showered with .22lr bullets at 300 yds, NO. But would they be leathal in a combat situation, MAYBE / MAYBE NOT.
I agree about the distance. I grew up in the flat lands of NW Ohio and routinly shot at greater ranges than 100 yds. HOWEVER, the bullets do not have any "Mustard" on them when they get there. That is why people consider them to have an effective range of 100 yds. Would I want to be showered with .22lr bullets at 300 yds, NO. But would they be leathal in a combat situation, MAYBE / MAYBE NOT.
Please allow me to be politely skeptical. Copper plated lead 22 LRs are common, but I've never seen or heard of a real FMJ 22 Long Rifle cartridge. Such a bullet would be very hard to make because of the heeled construction of a 22LR bullet.
There was an Air Force survival rifle issued with FMJ ammo, but it was in 22 Hornet, not 22 LR.
So how about a picture or reference for this bullet?
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woodfiend
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Guys, check this out. This is pretty amazing. .22's are DEADLY! Skip forward to where he is a pizza guy, or watch the whole thing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y44CdrBsfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y44CdrBsfs
Darth AkSarBen
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I have a 22 K Hornet sitting on my desk as I type. I used to have a gun chambered for 22 Hornet and took it to a gun smith friend of mine that used a chamber reamer and made it into the wildcat 22 K Hornet. Looks like a little "Weatherby" 22 with it's sharp shoulder as compared to the gentle slope shoulder of the 22 Hornet. Was quite a shooter too. Accurate and no kick at all, like the .22 LR.
I cannot imagine a 22 LR in anything but a solid round nose lead for the military. Even some of the plated bullets that are available are still very soft.
I cannot imagine a 22 LR in anything but a solid round nose lead for the military. Even some of the plated bullets that are available are still very soft.
SDC
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Here you go, natman. This is a scan from a June, 1961 TM titled "Small-Arms Ammunition", showing the FMJ 22 LR, which was adopted as the M24. They used standard 22 LR for training, target-practice, competition, etc., but the M24 FMJ was issued for the 22 LR bail-out guns. This manual also shows the 22 Hornet, which they adopted as the M65.
Low Budget Shooter
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I guess that's proof!
Dear SDC,
Talk about backing up what you say---very impressive!
Jeff
Dear SDC,
Talk about backing up what you say---very impressive!
Jeff
Joe M
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This is an interesting topic. I had once heard (and I've never researched it, but I will), that the Swiss Army had adopted the use of the .22LR, whether for training or an issue arm I don't recall?
um....
http://www.rimfireuniverse.com/
That 'infantry' round looks interesting. I wonder how the terminal ballistics stack up at close to medium ranges from small pistols...
I might have to get some of these to try in my AR-7 when they become available in USA (this summer supposedly). I would expect that pointed tip to provide deeper penetration, maybe even better accuracy.
I'm sure they cost a lot more than the cheapo .22LRs, but for hunting/survival/SD applications it could very well be worth the extra expense.
http://www.rimfireuniverse.com/
That 'infantry' round looks interesting. I wonder how the terminal ballistics stack up at close to medium ranges from small pistols...
I might have to get some of these to try in my AR-7 when they become available in USA (this summer supposedly). I would expect that pointed tip to provide deeper penetration, maybe even better accuracy.
I'm sure they cost a lot more than the cheapo .22LRs, but for hunting/survival/SD applications it could very well be worth the extra expense.
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strangelittleman
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09 May, 1972.
Belgian airline Sabena Flight #517
from Brussels to Tel Aviv was hijacked by 4 terrorists (2male&2female)
A Sayeret Matkal team led by Lt.Col Ehud Barak made entry into the flight and killed the 2 male terrs and wounded/captured the 2 female terrs.
The 2nd in command of the team, a Lt. Benjamin Netanyahu was wounded by a GSW from a AK-47 (?) to the lower face.
The Team's weapons?
The Beretta M70 in .22lr.
Also back in the 80's & early 90's, 1st Force Recon Co., USMC had suppressed Hi-Standards, in .22lr, for special applications, in CQB. I don't know if these are still in inventory.
Belgian airline Sabena Flight #517
from Brussels to Tel Aviv was hijacked by 4 terrorists (2male&2female)
A Sayeret Matkal team led by Lt.Col Ehud Barak made entry into the flight and killed the 2 male terrs and wounded/captured the 2 female terrs.
The 2nd in command of the team, a Lt. Benjamin Netanyahu was wounded by a GSW from a AK-47 (?) to the lower face.
The Team's weapons?
The Beretta M70 in .22lr.
Also back in the 80's & early 90's, 1st Force Recon Co., USMC had suppressed Hi-Standards, in .22lr, for special applications, in CQB. I don't know if these are still in inventory.
runrabbitrun
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I knew there was a reason why
I really liked my new found 22 rifle with
a decent scope.
I really liked my new found 22 rifle with
a decent scope.
As to the 10/22, I'm not impressed. I have one the mag fails to feed often, and you have to beat on it to get the rotary mechanism to free up. the trigger is WAY heavier than my Garand, and it won't make a group smaller than three inches at 40 yards.
That said, during vietnam there was a group called the bodysnatchers. They'd string up claymores four foot in the air along a trail, wait for a column, pop the highest ranking individual in the leg... when he'd fall boom go the claymores. No muss no fuss intel work.
That said, during vietnam there was a group called the bodysnatchers. They'd string up claymores four foot in the air along a trail, wait for a column, pop the highest ranking individual in the leg... when he'd fall boom go the claymores. No muss no fuss intel work.
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