24 Tactics / Firearm Questions -- SPOILER ALERT

[David]

*** SPOILER ALERT ***



On last night's episode of 24 (03/27/06), there was a scene where Agent Jack and his CTU crew entered a site (a natural gas plant) where multiple terrorist "hostiles" were located.

As they "neutralized" the perimeter bad guys, they used handguns with silencers.

As they entered the building, Agent Jack said to his team -- "...remove the silencers now..."

Question: Are there any tactical reasons in removing the silencers from their guns, or was this done merely for "Hollywood" purposes?

Also, in this episode, President Palmer's brother (i.e. Wayne Palmer) had a rifle with a green lighted scope attached.

Question: What type of rifle and scope did Wayne Palmer have? (Also, how did Wayne obtain the rifle in the first place? Did he already have it in his personal vehicle, or did he some how get it from one of his attackers?)

 

[TonyB]

This is one of my favorite shows..but also in last night's show,he's holding the security guard's gun(a Glock) on the bad chick for a couple of minutes...THEN he racks the slide(to show that he's REALLY serious) so basically the guard was walking around in condition 3 all day(I know it's only a show)

 

[mikeb3185]

i am a big 24 fan andi as i was watching i thought the same thing about the silencers, and it did not make sense. first you are in a natural gas facility and silencers almost eliminate muzzle flash, plus many elite police/military use silensers/supressors so they differentiate between who is shooting. IMO it was for a hollywood purpose, as far as what that is i have no idea

and palmers gun the green light from the scope is for night vison, as far as how he accquired it i also have no idea


also when he is interogating the women and takes the marshalls gun. after he racks the slide it looks as thought it is jammed

 

[axmurderer]

I didn't see any reason to remove the silencers either.

I also agree that racking the slide was kinda dumb. He should have had a round in the chamber the whole time.

And the tactical movement inside the gas facility was sloppy.

I didn't mention these things to the wife because she hates when I do that.

 

[jlseagull]

I also found myself holding back on comments. I did manage a "He better cap that scope quick, cause that eyepiece is gonna shine like the sun to everyone else wearing NVG!"

As for the silencer removal, that is easy. They had reached their objective, the need for stealth was removed. Consider the targeting times and maneuverability of a 4" barrel 1911 vs. a 12" barrel 1911 when breeching a room.

 

[ebd10]

24 is a comedy!

Jack Bauer, a counterterrorist operator manages to get shot, stabbed, captured, killed, and compromised more often than the entire rest of the CIA. The "agency" he works for has more leaks than the Titanic, and enough moles to destroy every golf course in the PGA tour.

Then there is his family. This guy has been responsible for more women dying than Ben Cartwright (you old phardts know what I'm talking about), and can't seem to keep his daughter from following in his footsteps. (OK, I've exhausted all of my metaphors)

I caught the first 2 seasons and decided that if I wanted to have my intelligence insulted, I'd watch "Law & Order". It's on 24 hours a day and I don't have to record any of them to see the whole series in one week.

 

[Leanwolf]

It's all just "show biz," folks. "24" doesn't make a lick of sense... but then, it's not supposed to. Just Superman with a SIG, a hoarse voice, but without a cape, and lots and lots and lots of computer geniuses helping him out, now and then. Just sit back, eat your popcorn and enjoy mind candy!

L.W.

 

[dpesec]

mikeb3185, Palmer picked it up from one of the guys chasing him. He took him out and picked up the rifle.

My GF get mad at me when I tell her what's comming next, or the bloopers. Although I have to admit I never though of the Natural gas distribution system.
The week before I was beat with a pillow when I told her the "hobbit" would be a hero and save everybody and that CTU was the diversion.

She's threatening to put duct tape over my mouth so I won't spoil it for her.

 

[bigun15]

There were a few weird things about this past show: The Glock with no round in the chamber, then when he does rack it (if you pay close attention) you can see the slide doesn't even close all the way, the ultra bright night vision scope, the whole silencers thing...usually expect better.

 

[Therapydude]

I love the show, but last nights episode had more than a few flaws. After Jack racked the slide on his newly procured Glock, it was definitely out of battery. Also, when assaulting the natural gas facility, I love how they remember to bring the C4, but forget the rifles

 

[ball3006]

Life is too short to....

watch type AAAAA warp drive personalities run around screaming at the top of their lungs.............chris3

 

[tweetbb]

Am I missing something?

OK, let me get this straight. The bad guys are introducing the nerve gas into the natural gas distribution system. Exactly how will the nerve gas get out of the system to do any harm?

Presumably the NatGas pipeline is sealed (don't want air getting in or gas getting out), and the only exit from the line would be at the point of use (furnace, stove, dryer, etc.). The NatGas is being burned to cook/heat/dry and in the process the nerve agent would be destroyed. We know this because this is how Jack detroyed the Nerve Gas; by burning (blowing) it up.

Sooo....just how the hell was the Nerve Gas supposed to kill 200,000 people, unless they all turned their stoves on without lighting them, in which case they probably would have died anyway:banghead:

I still love the show, though

 

[Leanwolf]

TWEETBB - "...Sooo....just how the hell was the Nerve Gas supposed to kill 200,000 people, unless they all turned their stoves on without lighting them,..."
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Tweetbb, that one's easy. Because a scriptwriter sits in front of his keyboard and types a line of dialogue for Jack Bauer, or the President....

JACK or PREZ. - "We've just got word that 200,000 people have died due to Nerve Gas poisoning in the gas line!!"

That's how it's done.

L.W.

 

[pete f]

I like the idea of the show. But the gaffs are getting to me.

Again, assualt team on a occupied gas works and the presence of nerve gas is suspected.
The team goes in by chopper and then fast rope down (albeit really poorly)? They would have already be tethered on the end of the ropes and just dropped off. One tug on the quick release and you are there.


But in reality, why would you risk it. a combat team with out rifles or shotties storming a place when in reality, one two thousand pound GBU in the middle of it would incinerate all the nerve agent.

The obviously out of battery Glock 17 or 22 threatening the Collette woman.
racking a slide to show he's just crazy enough to shoot her.

Bauers daughter not calling 911 to report a guy man handling his wife and abusing his daughter. I do not care who the guy is, cops show up and his wife has a punch mark on the face, he is going to jail.

The Secret Service guy has the night vision scope, but instead of using it, lowers it and stares blankly into space moments before they launch a RPG or LAWS rocket at him. The obvious sound of gun fire and explosion of a warhead of the rocket does not generate a response of the military and SS protection detail of the President. The "good guy" Secret Service agent not immediately calling for assistance on his radio, even though it is clearly still in his ear for duration of the gun fight.


The escape of two "Blind and Dumb" individuals from a planned and supposedly professional combat teams' ambush. Armed with night vision and CC communications, they fail to connect on any one of a thousand rounds they blindly fire. The term "killing baby seals" was invented to cover such an event.

Yeah i will still watch it, but my wife makes me watch it down here in the office instead of upstairs. she hates that keep I yelling at the tv.

 

[seeker_two]

Tweetbb, that one's easy. Because a scriptwriter sits in front of his keyboard and types a line of dialogue for Jack Bauer, or the President....

JACK or PREZ. - "We've just got word that 200,000 people have died due to Nerve Gas poisoning in the gas line!!"

He didn't mean the natural gas line....

The gov't installed gas lines into 200,000 homes for the specific purpose of pumping gas into those homes for some kind of non-disclosed gov't reason (probably to do with the War on Terror). They didn't mean for the TERRORISTS to use the gas lines--just the gov't....

 

[RAZOR65]

QUOTE: "Then there is his family. This guy has been responsible for more women dying than Ben Cartwright "

NOW THAT WAS FUNNY

 

[afasano]

In the attack on CTU hq the gas started to dissolve the seals on the safe rooms. The terrorist's were trying to send it into homes the same way replacing NATGAS with nerve gas. Ben Cartwright still has a bigger body count, I was watching too.

 

[Steelharp]

racking a slide to show he's just crazy enough to shoot her.

Wouldn't it make sense, if you grabbed a weapon not your own, to rack the slide to make sure it was loaded in case the individual who owned it opted to carry it without one in the pipe? Better to waste one round than not have one, yes?

The OOB should have got a retake, though...

 

[tyme]

They did multiple takes. He racked the slide, and you can see that it goes into battery. It cuts to the woman. Then it cuts back, and only then is it out of battery.

Idiots in the cutting room, not on set.

If Audrey doesn't turn out to be a traitor, I'm going to be furious. Not one interesting thing has happened this season since episode 1. Did I mention that I hate Julian Sands's acting? He doesn't have the presence necessary to play a terrorist. It's turning the entire show into a joke, IMO.

 

[nucstl1]

But in reality, why would you risk it. a combat team with out rifles or shotties storming a place when in reality, one two thousand pound GBU in the middle of it would incinerate all the nerve agent.

Yeah, probably lots of ships in the ocean or CAPs in the air to help resolve the issue with little or no effort...and you could still blame it on the terrorists.

 

[meinbruder]

<" racking a slide to show he's just crazy enough to shoot her.">

>Wouldn't it make sense, if you grabbed a weapon not your own, to rack the slide to make sure it was loaded in case the individual >who owned it opted to carry it without one in the pipe? Better to waste one round than not have one, yes?

Excellent question! I didn't see the show but if I picked up someone else’s weapon I would definitely rack the slide to make sure it was loaded, I would also look for spare loaded mags but that wouldn’t happen in HollyWeirdLand. I’ve seen the whole “rack the slide” thing as a method of intimidation in so many films I just chalk it up to the writers. If it was my own weapon and I really wanted to make a statement, one round into the wall by the dirt balls head. That’s crazy and clearly shows intent! Before anyone jumps me over safety, under extreme conditions, as portrayed by the show, extreme measures would be justified.
Mike

 

[Bart Noir]

dpesec, beating you with a pillow? Duct tape?

She's delightfully kinky.

Bart Noir

 

[seeker_two]

If it was my own weapon and I really wanted to make a statement, one round into the wall by the dirt balls head. That’s crazy and clearly shows intent! Before anyone jumps me over safety, under extreme conditions, as portrayed by the show, extreme measures would be justified.

Yeah, but do you know how much paperwork you'd be buried under explaining how you shot an unauthorized bullet into the ceiling, past the gay-minority-female-transsexual office manager working in the room above who later files a complaint with her union, EEOC rep, and Johnny Cochrane that you and your bullet violated his/her civil rights and sexually harassed him/her...

...not to mention having to justify repairing the bullet hole in your annual budget...

When it comes to threatening one's life, Jack does it the politically correct way...

 

[creampuff]

Excellent question! I didn't see the show but if I picked up someone else’s weapon I would definitely rack the slide to make sure it was loaded,

Ok, this is an embarassing question. This will show how much I like SIGs, and haven't even touched a glock in over 15 years of shooting. Don't glocks have a round in chamber indicator?

 

[Steelharp]

Don't glocks have a round in chamber indicator?

Yeah... the extractor kinda comes up a bit... not much, though, and I doubt it would be REALLY noticeable in a stress situation... heck, I can barely see mine when I'm just takin' a leisurely perusal of it!