25 ACP Hollow Point

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Yep 30 years ago. I can do the math. And the people shot and killed and injured are still injured and still dead. And the FBI still 30 years later can't seem to get a handle on the perfect gun and caliber. One writer stated they should have just stuck with the 357 revolvers. I tend to agree with that.

This is my last post in response to the FBI. Its been done to death.
 
Any gun is better than no gun. IMO keep the .25 acp to ball. I'd not volunteer to catch one in the ear.
 
.25 acp hp

Yep 30 years ago. I can do the math. And the people shot and killed and injured are still injured and still dead. And the FBI still 30 years later can't seem to get a handle on the perfect gun and caliber. One writer stated they should have just stuck with the 357 revolvers. I tend to agree with that.

This is my last post in response to the FBI. Its been done to death.

Let me check.
Yep, they're still dead.
Good point !
 
I have a Baby Browning .25.

And I have tested the old Winchester Ball Bearing HP load.
(Didn't expand in anything.)

The Hornady load may expand?
But do you really want it to?

The trade-off is going to a 35 grain bullet, lighter then a .22 LR HP.
If it does expand, adequate penetration will not be there.

If you have to carry a .25 ACP, carry it with the standard weight 50 grain FMJ-RN to insure 100% feeding! and enough penetration to get-R-done.

rc
Thanks, rc.
 
I bet every poster here in this thread that has said the hollow points will not expand are also the same people who would state they have never owned a 25 auto and would never buy one. And yet all of a sudden they are experts on what the hollow point ammo will and won't do. But I think if Hornady makes a hollow point bullet for the 25 it will expand. And it shows the bullet getting over 900 fps. That should be enough for expansion.



And the FBI? what do they know. Every time they come up with the perfect gun and ammo combination they get in a gunfight and get their butts shot off and go back to the drawing board with a new set of standards. I choose not to take them very seriously. All a bullet has to do is make it 3-4 inches into the chest cavity to perforate the heart or lungs. Those are deadly wounds if not treated immediately.


Deadly wounds if not treated immediately? That's certainly a rousing endorsement of it's ability to stop a fight. While that person is dying because they didn't get to the hospital soon enough they are still actively trying to kill you. Think about that.
 
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Yep 30 years ago. I can do the math. And the people shot and killed and injured are still injured and still dead. And the FBI still 30 years later can't seem to get a handle on the perfect gun and caliber. One writer stated they should have just stuck with the 357 revolvers. I tend to agree with that.

This is my last post in response to the FBI. Its been done to death.

Well...I specifically asked for something from the last 20 years...but anyway...you stated that it was a recurring thing...and yet...one singular example from 30 years ago.

BTW, believe it or not, bullet technology has changed during those 30 years.
 
If I Only Had a .25ACP, Use It

Ratshooter, posting # 26 :
Let me check again.
Yeah, their still dead.

Moral of Story :
If your dead, you're gonna stay dead !
To put it simply, "If it works, it works".
 
Am I Ryan?

Yes.
...and I am not getting to the .25 auto today. I will get it posted tomorrow. Sorry for the delay, but I have a wife and 5 kids that I love more than anything. I'm on their time now, so I will be back in the morning.
 
I passed this thread by yesterday because I didn't have an answer to the request specifically made by the OP.

I still don't, and I'm apparently far from alone in that.

The OP is a reasonably-active member here, and is unlikely to be clueless himself regarding the caliber (see post 9.)
 
They do make .22LR hollow points is there any advantage to them ?

Personally I can't envision a .25 being more effective with hollow points for self defense. I don't know about small game but most .25s (unlike the .22LR which is also chambered in rifles) are very small pocket pistols.

I wonder how good the .25 would be if it didn't fall out of favor and different loads were developed for it as well as making larger guns and rifles in .25 caliber.

I like the .22 but being a rimfire can somtimes present problems. I would like to see .25 catch up to the .22 and become a reloading option.
 
The problem is, all of the small pistols were designed around the Browning .25 ACP round designed in 1908.

It used a 50 grain FMJ-RN bullet going 810 FPS.
Developing 73 ft/lb muzzle energy.

That is all the energy the guns were designed to handle, and any more will quickly beat them to death.

You can only maintain that energy level and get more velocity by going to a lighter bullet, such as the 35 grain JHP.

But at the same time with a loss of penetration.

A typical .22 LR will produce more velocity, more expansion, and more penetration out of a hand gun then you can get out of a .25 ACP at safe pressure and energy levels.

It is what it is, and is perfectly capable of killing a man, as it has done over & over again in the last 118 years.

But it is what it is, and there is nothing you can do about it with existing gun designs chambered for it.

In my experience over 50 years with the better brands, such as Colt, Beretta, and Browning?

You can bet the farm they will Feed Fire, and Function Freely 100% of the time with 50 grain FMJ-RN factory loads.

They will also make anyone shot with one wish they had been somewhere else, doing something different at the time.

And that's all you can ask of one.

Rc
 
Here's a story from about 1994 that I still remember from the Tacoma WA newspaper at the time. While it may have little bearing on this topic it might offer some thought. A young family was driving on divided hwy 512 between Puyallup and Tacoma with the dad driving. A car pulled alongside and fired a round possibly through the drivers shut window hitting him in the temple (pretty sure that is correct?) The dad was able to pull over to a stop and died on the side of the road. The round was a .25acp.
 
grtr, I think the thing about 22LR hollow points is that they are meant to be fired from rifles, rather than pistols with barrels of minimal length. The velocity a 22LR will achieve from a rifle is substantially greater, I believe. I don't have any numbers for that, but I bet someone does.
 
the truth, like most things in life, is NOT a simple black & white answer.

ignore people who claim hollow points won't work....there are good HPs out there for the 25acp that will expand as designed. the problem(s) as others have mentioned, is reliable feeding, followed by reduced penetration. people seem to think this means the round will not penetrate adequately...this is false. it just means you need to be aware of the limitations and reductions in penetration.

translation: FMJs for cold weather(where people are more likely to be heavily clothed in multiple layers) and HPs for everything else(if your gun can feed them reliably).
 
Geco .25acp with the hard as wood pecker lips silver colored brite polished ball seems hotter and feeds best of all 6.35 Browning loads I've tried in 49 years :what:
 
I think in the earliest Ian Fleming books, Bond carried a .25. Glad he changed early on to .32acp or he would have died out early and we wouldn't have the great 007 movie series. :neener:
 
WEG is correct.

I did manage to find a box of 25ACP that had a steel BB in the hose for penetration but as many point out not a round you need to rely on.

WARP is also right. FBI shootout he is referring to was in Miami about 1984 time frame when five agents were shot, two killed AFTER THE SHOOTER TOOK A 115 gr. Silvertip through the heart. He then warmed up a Ruger Mini 14 and downed the good guys.

They went to Col Fackler at the Army Wound Ballistics Lab and thus the 10MM, problem was the handguns were too large for the women and a lot of the guys to handle and the recoil was considerable.

Fackler told me the bad guy that took the first shot could not have been survived if he had been shot on a operating table in a trauma surgery unit with full staff standing by and ready to act in seconds.

The shooter was a former US Marine who got out and joined the Army and was a MP.

The investigator of that incident came to the Fed Law Enf Tng Ctr and gave continual all day briefings on the event at two levels. One was recorded, the other was not and that gave much more information. I attended the life session and have a copy of the recorded one.
 
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I seen a video a few years ago that I cant find anymore but it compared penetration of the 25acp vs 22short vs 22lr.
The 22LR won by a long shot and the 22short came in 2nd place just barely above the 25acp which had the worst penetration. 25acp FMJ only penetrates 9" into ballistics gel. You want to use the heavier FMJ. NO WAY to the hollow points and the lighter bullets.
 
Brassfetcher did a comparison on penetration in gel-lo medium (don't remember what round maker and specifics)

.25acp hp: 6.7"
.25acp fmj: 14.0"

I'd call this substantial and noteworthy and a reason to alter what you carry. AND I am NOT saying the .25 wouldn't work well in very up close SD situation with utmost reliability and proper placement.
 
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