Gun Master
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No penetration ?
Forget expansion.
Go FMJ !
Forget expansion.
Go FMJ !
25 ACP Hollow Point
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Monac
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Arguing about what kind of 25 ACP bullet is best for self defense is like arguing about which model year Yugo was the best built car. Or what brand of box camera takes the best photographs. Sure, you may have a point, but it's kind of a pointless point, IMO.
I apologize if that's a rude thing to say, but come on. It's 2016, not 1906 or 1961. Choosing a 25 is such bad idea that making a 10% improvement in it gets you nowhere. It only make sense if you have no choice, and in that case, the question is why don't you?
there is still a place for tiny semi-automatics...nobody in this thread is claiming a 25 HP round is their first choice for self defense and I'm sure thats not what you're saying either....but to act as if there is no place for a mouse-gun(and their anemic cartridge) is just silly.
and in the end, stopping power and penetration is simply an overrated marketing gimmick. of course it matters, and yes, if you have the choice, you should pick the best performing round you can fire accurately...but this FBI ballistics stuff has turned into a field day for gun makers and their marketing teams and some people seem to eat it up more than others.
the 25acp was used(successfully) for almost a century despite there being plenty of better rounds out there....all of a sudden the FBI releases some ballistics tests and everyone thinks anything less than 9mm is inadequate for self-defense?? come on now
and in the end, stopping power and penetration is simply an overrated marketing gimmick. of course it matters, and yes, if you have the choice, you should pick the best performing round you can fire accurately...but this FBI ballistics stuff has turned into a field day for gun makers and their marketing teams and some people seem to eat it up more than others.
the 25acp was used(successfully) for almost a century despite there being plenty of better rounds out there....all of a sudden the FBI releases some ballistics tests and everyone thinks anything less than 9mm is inadequate for self-defense?? come on now
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They work great in my Beretta 950, and get pretty good velocity (nearly 1,000 FPS).
That said I still stick with 50gr FMJ for carry, I just don't trust those JHPs to reach vitals, I suspect that they'd just create nasty looking but shallow wounds.
Although now I'm beginning to question this, after seeing the youtube video posted in this thread where the XTP went 11+ inches in the gel. Maybe they're not so bad after all...
MICHAEL T
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Miami Shoot out silver tip didn't hit his heart stopped 1/2" short . Was determined was a fatal hit Just not Dead right now. FBI tactics more to blame than 1 silver tip 9mm . No one wearing vest long guns in trunk of cars .
2 armed killers determined to fight to the end . Lots of blame not just the silver tip to go around .
In 1986 (if I remember right) I watched the FBI recreation tape and interviews with local Sherriff deputies . Was interesting no wisecracking just silence from these officers .
As for the 25 . Beretta 950 worked for me In a parking garage early 80's . He wanted money and got to see a Beretta 950 not wallet . GONE !!!! I think he could have out ran the 25 .Might been a fair race with a 357 .
Underestimate any gun your facing . No matter the caliber . Just might be the last thing you do. 25 kill and have failed so have 38spl 357 45 auto and others. Including rifles and shotguns
2 armed killers determined to fight to the end . Lots of blame not just the silver tip to go around .
In 1986 (if I remember right) I watched the FBI recreation tape and interviews with local Sherriff deputies . Was interesting no wisecracking just silence from these officers .
As for the 25 . Beretta 950 worked for me In a parking garage early 80's . He wanted money and got to see a Beretta 950 not wallet . GONE !!!! I think he could have out ran the 25 .Might been a fair race with a 357 .
Underestimate any gun your facing . No matter the caliber . Just might be the last thing you do. 25 kill and have failed so have 38spl 357 45 auto and others. Including rifles and shotguns
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JR47
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Using the FBI as a predictor of anything is kind of silly. Face it, the FBI, unless you're talking about Regional SWAT, or HRT, sees about as much gun-fighting action in a year as Andy and Barney did in Mayberry.
They tasked themselves with finding a "better" caliber and cartridge after the Miami Shoot-out. Notice that, somehow, the abysmal tactics and operations never made it into any reports generated by the FBI. Instead, it was the 9mm round.
Now, after upsetting the apple cart with first the 10mm, and then the 40 S&W, they are coming back to the 9mm. Why? Once again, it's the gun and cartridge, NOT the shooters, that are to blame. They want higher scores in qualifying, but aren't willing to accept more training time. If this keeps up, we may see the FBI of the future declaring that the .25 ACP, due to technological advances in powder and projectile, is "equivalent" to the 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.
Ever wonder how the 9mm reached that "equivalency"? Like the ammunition manufacturers aren't also applying any advances to the other calibers, as well. Also, where are they getting the records of "street use" from? The only person compiling them quit almost 30 years ago, too.
Nobody asked what anyone thought of the .25 ACP. The OP wanted to know where to find some, for a third party. His father, if you'll note, didn't ask for opinions from him, either.
They tasked themselves with finding a "better" caliber and cartridge after the Miami Shoot-out. Notice that, somehow, the abysmal tactics and operations never made it into any reports generated by the FBI. Instead, it was the 9mm round.
Now, after upsetting the apple cart with first the 10mm, and then the 40 S&W, they are coming back to the 9mm. Why? Once again, it's the gun and cartridge, NOT the shooters, that are to blame. They want higher scores in qualifying, but aren't willing to accept more training time. If this keeps up, we may see the FBI of the future declaring that the .25 ACP, due to technological advances in powder and projectile, is "equivalent" to the 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.
Ever wonder how the 9mm reached that "equivalency"? Like the ammunition manufacturers aren't also applying any advances to the other calibers, as well. Also, where are they getting the records of "street use" from? The only person compiling them quit almost 30 years ago, too.
Nobody asked what anyone thought of the .25 ACP. The OP wanted to know where to find some, for a third party. His father, if you'll note, didn't ask for opinions from him, either.
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