25 yards, standing, iron sights, a challenge?

[Zeede]

My CZ 452 FS can be picked up tomorrow, and I can hardly wait! I've been to a few of the ranges near my house, and one of the closest ones is an indoor range, up to 25 yards. They only allow standing position, will this be a sufficient challenge, given that I will be using iron sights? I only shot prone back in high school, and I don't remember what the range was, and I mostly used a scope, so that was a different experience entirely.

Cameron

 

[flashman70]

I'm not familiar with that rifle, but it is a challenge being rock steady unsupported - even at 25 yards.

 

[Cosmoline]

If you make the targets small enough, sure. The 452 is quite easy to shoot off hand, though.

 

[Zeede]

Hmm okay. I have the option of purchasing an annual membership, but I know that 25 yards is pretty close when it comes to rifle target shooting. I suppose at the very least it gives me a chance to work on my basics.

Cosmoline: The targets don't have to be large, my goal will be to group all the shots as closely as possible, regardless of whether I'm shooting at a bullseye or the "head" of the paper silhouette. Hopefully with practice I can get some tight groups.

Cameron

 

[Cosmoline]

You can easily make it a challenge by using those little tiny pellet gun targets.

 

[Dionysusigma]

Blank piece of paper. 1" piece of clear tape. 1 dot from a paper hole puncher, your choice of color.

Tape the hole onto the paper. Try to determine if you can still see it at 25 yards (I can't, but some can). If so, it's about the best you can get.

 

[Zeede]

Hehe well, I'm not trying to test/strain my eyesight, just challenge myself to shoot well. A regular sized target will be fine, with a little X in the middle

Cameron

 

[Deer Hunter]

I do that with my rifles at 50 yards, so I'm sure it can be done.

 

[wally]

I'm not trying to test/strain my eyesight, just challenge myself to shoot well

1 MOA is about a well as you can expect to see and defines a very accurate rifle. 1 MOA is approx 1" at 100 meters to use units pretty easy to relate to.

--wally.

 

[Zeede]

I thought most of the MOA numbers people have posted were from a benchrest. This will be standing position, which at 25yards should be approximately .25" 5-shot groups if you follow the 1 MOA rule, which is basically one hole.

If this is a good and reasonable goal for someone starting out shooting like me to aim for (no pun intended), then I'll pursue it to the best of my ability. However, if quarter inch holes are more the domain of firing from a benchrest, then I'll be satisfied with larger groups

Cameron

 

[MachIVshooter]

At 25 yards, if you can keep all your shots inside an inch from a standing postition, you're doing pretty good. 4 MOA with an unsupported rifle fired from a stanading position is pretty respectable.

 

[heron]

Save the money you'd spend on paper targets and print your own cheap. Go to

www.brightsights.com

and find the free target link, download the ones you like and print them out at home on scrap paper.
I shoot at 25 yds., and I'm mostly using the 4-bull target, but I shoot them from a bench. Standing, I have to go with the single large bullseye, as I'm not too good offhand.

 

[hksw]

Shooting at 25 yds is the regular distance for the course of fire for off hand standing position (no sling support) in CMP Rimfire Sporter class (both T-Class (telescope) and O-Class (open sights), rapid and slow fire).

Go do their site,

http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/rimfire.pdf

and read up.

 

[qajaq59]

Pick a target that you're comfortable with and then practice, practice, practice. You'll be amazed how well you can do after a while.
It's not exactly easy to be a good shot while standing, but it sure isn't impossible either. Just go and have a good time.

 

[mustanger98]

I recommend a target that's rather small yet highly visible. My preferred target has a 1" center circle and a crosshairs reticle printed on so I can see how I'm doing in inches of windage and elevation.

Here's my preferred target...

http://www.remington.com/pdfs/target3.pdf

I've shot this target out to 100yds. At that distance, the 1" center is 1 MOA. At 50yds, it's 2MOA. At 25yds, it's 4MOA. At 12.5yds, it's 8 MOA.

Start up close and work on breathing and trigger control from the standing offhand position. If possible, work with a sillouette shooter. Not claiming to be an expert or anything, but I learned a lot about stand-up shooting from sillouette. 12.5yds is up close enough for a .22LR rifle and irons. Get to hitting that and then move it to 25yds and use the same technique and refine it. Then, move to sillouette distances... the differences being sillouette is measured in meters rather than yards (which is why I had to make/have a conversion table... 40, 50, 75, and 100.

 

[scrat]

the best printable targets are right here

http://www.tnoutdoorsmen.com/targets.htm


do not print with a useless ink jet printer though. a laser printer is the only way to go. i print with my hp laser printer. can print a lot sheets with out waisting money. if you want to really save some cash though. print a few out and take them to your local office supply place. you can get a whole bunch printed out from office depot for a couple of bucks. way cheaper than buying them

 

[mustanger98]

I print all my targets on a HP ink jet that I get a lot of use out, so I don't think I got one of the useless ink jets. I also pick a target that don't give me a headache to look at... plus too much grid and you either can't see it through irons or it just gets distracting... and use the center dot as the POA. The sights get adjusted to bring POI into POA.

 

[iamkris]

The Appleseed shoots have you shoot at 25 yards. Apparently a lot of people scoff at that thinking it is unmanly to shoot a rifle at 25 yards...until they do it and find they're not such good shots when they pull the rifle off the bench and actually have to shoot from position.

 

[10-Ring]

The long gun range I use to frequent closed before the end of '06 and I picked up a 9mm carbine to shoot at the indoor range...25 yard max. You know, it's kinda tough at first, then it gets easier & easier and more fun along the way too!
25 yards may not be idea, but it is enough to be fun! Congrats & have fun!

 

[mustanger98]

Actually, to sight in a centerfire rifle... this includes service rifles and deer rifles, some of which are one and the same... those who know what they're doing start at 25yds. If a .30-06 is dead on at 25yds, it's supposed to have a 250yd battlesight zero.

For a .22LR rifle with iron sights, 25yds really is a challenge and it prepares you to jack your sights up and shoot accurately a lot further out.

 

[Caimlas]

My opinion? Yeah, 25 yards with iron sights is difficult, if you're shooting for a small target. With my Remington 121 pump .22LR, I am able to get groups approximately 2" in size, but it's a real strain with (poor, at this range) indoor lighting and old post sights. I've also got fairly poor eye sight, so that factors in as well, but I imagine for someone with good eye sight, it'll still be a challenge.

I figure: those 1" target stickers would be visually the same size as a larger 4" target at 100 yards, and that's a fairly challenging target while standing, in my opinion. not so challenging that you can't hit it fairly consistently (or at least get a decent group), but challenging enough, to be sure.

I should note that I don't shoot from a bench, largely because I don't have a facility with a bench to shoot from. All my shooting is done standing, prone, or sitting, so being restricted to a standing shot isn't such a setback for me. I was taught by my grandfather growing up that using a support to shoot other than your body will make you a weak shooter with poor form, and if anyone should know, it's him (at the end of his Army career, where he shot on the rifle team exclusively, they asked him to re-up and then compete in the Olympics for the Army - which he turned down because his fiance/my grandmother was pestering on him to get married ).

 

[Stachie]

More Distance Needed

You need to find a larger range!

 

[SaMx]

I usually get around 1.5"-1.75" at 25 yards standing. I thought I was doing poorly. Maybe I'm better than I thought.

 

[Geronimo45]

Apparently a lot of people scoff at that thinking it is unmanly to shoot a rifle at 25 yards...until they do it and find they're not such good shots when they pull the rifle off the bench and actually have to shoot from position.

You mean folks don't shoot standin' up anymore?

I guess I'm not such a bad shot as I thought I was. Everybody's a wuss now, and have to shoot prone with a bipod and a ballistic calculator.

 

[mustanger98]

You mean folks don't shoot standin' up anymore?

It's not that "folks" don't so much as way too many folks don't. And they preach that "nobody can".

I guess I'm not such a bad shot as I thought I was. Everybody's a wuss now, and have to shoot prone with a bipod and a ballistic calculator.

Probably not. I wouldn't say "everybody" is a wuss... hey, sure I shoot standing up, but I also shoot across the bench. I figure we need to be able to shoot from any position we can... standing, sitting, sitting/benched, prone if that's feasible (which it ain't for me). I've used a bipod... I thought I'd like it under my Savage .243Win. across the bench, but I don't... I'd rather use sandbags for that. Ballistic calculator??? I've never seen one much less had a use for it. Fool with those too long and the deer'll walk on out of your field of fire. Best to know you're PBZ/BSZ.