3 Police Officers Shot to Death in Ala

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fjolnirsson,wild AK got it right.

Let the lefties use bloodlust for their campaigns.
I am saying a prayer for our fallen officers.

We know, as do most cops,that gun control arms the criminal and victimizes us all.
 
Does anyone have any facts about this? One man mentioned that they were shot in their car. Corroboration?

As for oppressive gestapo tactics, what in the world brings us to the point where y'all are suddenly jumping to that conclusion?? :confused: Do y'all know something I don't?

All I know is:
  • [1]Cops were in process of serving a felony warrant*.
    [2]The alleged felon allegedly shot three police officers that were attempting to serve that felony warrant.
    [3]A suspect was taken into custody by responding officers.
    [4]An active manhunt is (or was) on for further suspect.


I'm just really confused as to where the animosity toward the victim officers is coming from, in the light of these scant few facts. :confused:

One of the very reasons that this story is so distressing, is that readers will fly off the handle, jump to conclusions about gunowners, and want to ban those evil semi-auto, High-Powered, Assault Rifles tm. So let's not jump to conclusions about the cops, who may very well have been in the legal, ethical, and righteous process of taking a violent person into custody at the direction of a judge, okay?

* Edit: A later newspaper article lists the warrant as a "midemeanor assault warrant."
 
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Matt G:

Exactly.

Unfortunately, some people let their petty despisal take precedence over their ability to reason when facts are lacking.
 
Any, and I mean ANY semi-auto rifle is an "assault rifle."
And any, and I mean ANY rifle with a scope (even a single shot bolt action) is a "high powered sniper rifle."

Now what are we going to call those evil O/U shotties that break down into 2 concealable pieces?

And, yes, peace to the three fallen officers and prayers for their families.
 
The link to the story in the first post seems dead . . . but before coming down on either side of the debate, I'd like to know

1. Were they serving a valid warrant?
2. Was it a no-knock warrant?
3. Were they in the house, entering the house, in their car, what?
4. Were they uniformed or plainclothes?
5. Were they clearly identifiable, in uniform, or dressed like masked ninjas?
6. Etc. etc.

I just simply do NOT have the information to reach any conclusions here, other than it's a sad fact that three are dead.

What DOES arouse my interest was a statement I heard on the TV news that the police are refusing to release any details about what happened.
 
Here is a little more in depth story.



Police chief: 'Three officers are gone'
Birmingham policemen slain while serving arrest warrant
By DANIEL JACKSON and TAYLOR BRIGHT
BIRMINGHAM POST-HERALD
Veteran police Officer Carlos Owens could have retired years ago, but he chose to stay with the Birmingham Police Department because he loved the job. On Thursday, Owens and two fellow officers sacrificed their lives while performing that job.
"He was a great officer. He always showed great enthusiasm. This is something that seems unimaginable. Three officers are gone," Birmingham Police Chief Annetta Nunn said.

As Owens lay dead, a tow truck pulled his squad car No. 431 down 18th Street in Ensley, a neighborhood where he patrolled for many years. Some residents said Owens, whom they called "Curly," was a legend. Nunn said he had been with the department at least 25 years.

In the same house where Owens was shot, Officers Charles Robert Bennett and Harley Chisholm, all from the West Precinct, died in the deadliest day in the Police Department's history. Officer Michael Collins was shot at but was not injured, Nunn said.

Nunn said investigators found no evidence of drugs at the house where the officers were slain, 1619 18th St. Ensley.

Neighbor Bryan Dawkins said he heard the gunshots while he was sitting at his computer desk at 1:19 p.m.

"It was an automatic (weapon). There were at least 15 shots fired," said Dawkins, who stood behind yellow crime scene tape with hundreds of curious Ensley residents. "Later, I found out that someone had a gunfight with the police. That's just sad."

Neighbors said they knew the officers by the street names, "Curly," "Robocop," and "Chisel." Owens, Chisholm and Bennett were fatally shot while serving a misdemeanor arrest warrant on 27-year-old Nathaniel Lauell Woods, police reported. The warrant involved a domestic assault. However, police believe another man in the house fired the fatal shots. A weapon was recovered at the house, but police did not identify the type of gun used in the shootings.

The man police believe fired the shots, Woods and at least three other people were taken into custody and were being questioned by police after officers in SWAT armor raided an old wooden home at 1736 18th St. Ensley. Police did not identify the other people police have questioned.

Municipal records show Woods has several prior convictions, including criminal trespassing, reckless driving, driving without a state driver's license, possession of marijuana, city probation violation, failure to appear in court and drinking in public. Woods listed a Fairfield address as his current residence, records indicate.

Police cordoned off several blocks Thursday afternoon and went door to door questioning neighbors and searching for people in abandoned homes.

Shortly after the shootings, a group of officers armed with shotguns and assault rifles approached three residents standing in their front yard to ask them if they had someone. The residents said they had no information for the police.

The man "just killed three officers, and Curly (Owens) was one of them," said a police officer holding a shotgun. "You better get over your amnesia and find him because if we find him, he's ... dead."

"No, not my buddy Curly," said a woman who joined the three men in their front yard. "They (the gunmen) are going to start a war around here."

At a home across the street, an officer used the butt of his rifle to push the front door open while another used his handgun to break a window. He went inside followed by several of his fellow officers and searched the house, but did not find the man.

Shortly before 3 p.m., the police converged on a house in the middle of their search area, a block away from where the shooting occurred. Running toward the house in a full sprint, guns out, police surrounded the home as neighbors watched 30 feet away.

A police officer in civilian clothes tried to get the crowd away from the house as quickly as the officers had surrounded it.

"In your house! It's too dangerous! There's still a loaded gun out here!

"Get in your house! Bullets ain't got no names!

"Let's go!" the officer yelled.

At 1736 18th St. Ensley, police pulled out three men and one woman.

Police climbed a ladder to the roof of the housewith a police dog. The officer knocked out the vent with a yellow-headed sledge hammer, and the dog went into the attic but didn't find anybody.

Birmingham Mayor Bernard Kincaid and City Council members Bert Miller, Lee Loder, Carol Reynolds and Joel Montgomery visited the crime scene, where many officers were distraught, praying and crying.

Anthony Mitchell, who lives on 16th Street in Ensley, said he knew Owens well and had recently spoke to him about his upcoming retirement.

"He was supposed to retire next year ... ," Mitchell said. "They (the officers) never bothered me. They had a job to do. If they didn't patrol, who was going to protect the people? It's a shame this happened."

Another Ensley resident, Larry Thompson, said Owens visited him every day at his home after he was shot in 1995.

"He was just a nice guy," Thompson said, wiping tears from his eyes. "He just got through asking about my brother 20 minutes ago."

Other residents and onlookers showed no remorse for the victims, who they say spent much of their time harassing residents.

"He had it coming. He had what he had coming to him," said a brother of one of the people taken into custody. "Why don't they find bin Laden? Instead, they're trying to find a ... in the 'hood."

Members of the Birmingham Civil Rights Activist Committee also visited the crime scene to speak with neighbors. Shirley Floyd, a committee spokeswoman, said her organization is working to end gang violence in Birmingham.

"The critical factor here is drugs," Floyd said. "We fought and marched to keep this very type of thing from happening in the city."

Post-Herald staff members Stephen Sisk, Jamie Kizzire, James Diffee and Christine Prichard contributed to this story.
 
"He had it coming. He had what he had coming to him," said a brother of one of the people taken into custody. "Why don't they find bin Laden? Instead, they're trying to find a ... in the 'hood."

:cuss: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :cuss:
 
I've never understood why there is so much animosity towards the police on these boards. Most police officers have a similar mindset of the people who post on here. It seems a good number of people here despise the police and love the military which to me does not make much sense. The 3 officers who lost there lives were obvious not some parmalitary ranger wannabees, they were probably 3 good men looking for 1 very bad man. Unfortunately they weren't heavily armed, armored and super-aggressive else the headline of the article would have read 3 heavily armed police officers kill armed suspect.
 
Jeff-

You are 100% right. Events like this serve to illustrate why, we as LEOs need to go on warrants with signifigant firepower and all of the tactical equipment that some folks on here find so objectionable. I realize that some people are frightened of overt black body armor, fire resistant hoods, ballistic helmets, etc but this story is another example of why we as the Police have been forced by need to better arm and equip ourselves. Also, it is why we need teams, yes even SWAT teams that train as a unit with specialized equipment to do a lot of these warrants. Breeching an occupied dwelling on a combative suspect and taking him into custody is one of the most dangerous missions that any LEO can ever attempt. I have seen examples of booby traps from spikes to electrical shock devices and even IEDs that were designed to kill any police officer that came in whether they be SWAT or not. When we face a threat like that, it is time to call the guys that have the training and equipment to get it done and some home alive.

This also illustrates why it is so advantageous to have the element of suprise. I guarentee you that the suspect fired first and that he engaged the officers before they were in a good position to return fire. That usually happens because they knocked and announced for the full 30 seconds which gave the suspect time go get his gun and get into a good hiding spot to kill some cops... Right here is where a no knock, executed rapidly by a good team would have been the ticket. They would have made a rapid entry and had the entire house secured in less time than we would usually have to stand outside after knocking... The end result would likely have been different as well.
 
"Owens, Chisholm and Bennett were fatally shot while serving a misdemeanor arrest warrant on 27-year-old Nathaniel Lauell Woods, police reported. The warrant involved a domestic assault."

This does not seem to me like a common high-threat situtation.

"However, police believe another man in the house fired the fatal shots."

How does any PD plan for this?

Art
 
Its a tough deal when you have to serve a "Low" risk warrant. Lots of supervosors are very very focused on using the absolute minimum force and I have seen sups sit around discussing how few weapons they could get away with having on scene or even not allowing officers to go in with their guns drawn. IMHO, there are only two kinds of warrants, Known High Risk and Unknown Risk. Officers should prepare accordingly. Logistical concerns and previous good luck sometimes cause BS policies and bad SOPs to affect officer safety and sometimes stuff just goes bad...but when the SHTF, it is much better to be holding an M-4 than a file folder.
 
It is another of those contradictions that seems counter-intuitive: Cops get killed most frequently doing "low risk" and "routine" things. No doubt the fact that we get complacent has a lot to do with it: after making 5 vehicle stops during your shift what could possible happen on the sixth?" I am far more comfortable serving a warrant on a known violent robber or killer because he or she is a known quantity.
 
Is it just me, or is the information being provided a bit vague and nondescript? I need more info before I make a judgement. Right now I'm sympathetic towards the plight of the officers, but the more vague descriptions I see, laced with emotional hand grenades, the more uneasy I get.
 
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