351 WINCHESTER
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" Poor Choice"? Well I guess I've been wrong for a long time. Never lost a deer. Many dropped where they stood too. I think the longest shot was around 150 yds. and most were a lot closer.
30-30 bullet question
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The Bushmaster
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Krochus...Just to help you with the "unsafe" half cock on the Pre '64 mod 94s...Never let the hammer down from full cock to half cock. The sear tends to catch on the edge of the safety notch (slot) instead of falling into the notch (slot). Let the hammer all the way down [carefully] and pull it back into half cock. This way it will insure it falls into the notch. Also carry the rifle with the lever just slightly down about 1/8" to insure that the lever safety sets the trigger block.
And don't ask me how I found this out...
My .30 WCF is 60 years old (1,608,XXX) and I still hunt with it. If I do my job it will put 3 rounds into a 3" dot at 100 yards with my handloads.
And don't ask me how I found this out...
My .30 WCF is 60 years old (1,608,XXX) and I still hunt with it. If I do my job it will put 3 rounds into a 3" dot at 100 yards with my handloads.
1858rem
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mod 94 with first 3 serial numbers 256.... pre 64 aint it? any idea what year it is from and value in 85-90%... maybe better cond.?
rcmodel
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Need the whole number, with last three X's to be of much help.
256? = 1894
2560? = 1894
25600? = 1894 - 95
256000? = 1943 - 1947
2560000? = 1962
rcmodel
256? = 1894
2560? = 1894
25600? = 1894 - 95
256000? = 1943 - 1947
2560000? = 1962
rcmodel
1858rem
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oh didnt know that....2,565,XXX, guess 1962 than, thanks.... any sites as a guide on condition/value.... NO intention to sell, just neat to know
rcmodel
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Try the auction sites.
Gunbroker.com
Auctionarms.com
gunsamerica.com
Doing a search on each one should give you a ball-park figure of what people are trying to sell them for.
If you go back to closed auctions you can see what some actually did sell for.
rcmodel
Gunbroker.com
Auctionarms.com
gunsamerica.com
Doing a search on each one should give you a ball-park figure of what people are trying to sell them for.
If you go back to closed auctions you can see what some actually did sell for.
rcmodel
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three words....
cross bolt safety.
skip the half cock all together and just use the cross bolt safety.
not that it willl help you much with the Gock part.....
rcmodel
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Maybe it's cause I grew up with hammer shotguns and Winchester pump .22's?
But I find the cross-bolt safety on a levergun not only unnecessary, but an abomination!
I blocked them off with an O-Ring on my Marlins.
Wouldn't even buy a Winchester with one.
rcmodel
But I find the cross-bolt safety on a levergun not only unnecessary, but an abomination!
I blocked them off with an O-Ring on my Marlins.
Wouldn't even buy a Winchester with one.
rcmodel
Remo-99
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Yes, I think the only thing they achieved there, was to mess up the traditional look and style, when they put those safeties on the 94's.
Hammer/firing pin in an at rest position, until ready to shoot, gives me more peace of mind, than being in the 'locked N cocked' position.
The Bushmaster
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Post "64 serial numbers start at 2,700,000 +/- a couple hundred...
1,600,000 produced in 1949. Mine is 1,608,XXX
2,500,000 produced in 1961.
I'm with rcmodel and Remo-99 as far as the cross-bolt safety is concerned. Not even sure what it did to improve the safety of the rifle except to cause it to have a quicker demise...
1,600,000 produced in 1949. Mine is 1,608,XXX
2,500,000 produced in 1961.
I'm with rcmodel and Remo-99 as far as the cross-bolt safety is concerned. Not even sure what it did to improve the safety of the rifle except to cause it to have a quicker demise...
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rcmodel
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Hope you mean the Safety notch!
"At Rest" position, all the way down, puts the firing pin in contact with the primer.
One little bump on the hammer and it will fire!
Safest way is half cock, then pop the lever open slightly.
That disconnects everything from the front firing pin.
rcmodel
R.W.Dale
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The crossbolt safety was little more than a poorly thought out band aid fix. The new tang safteys seem to be a much much better solution
thank you for proving my point as to the dangerous nature of these firearms. The only levergun's that's safe to carry in this manner are the newer model Winchesters with a rebounding firing pin
you are aware that the crossbolt feature it a relatively new addition to leverguns, that millions of examples are out there without em.
thank you for proving my point as to the dangerous nature of these firearms. The only levergun's that's safe to carry in this manner are the newer model Winchesters with a rebounding firing pin
you are aware that the crossbolt feature it a relatively new addition to leverguns, that millions of examples are out there without em.
Remo-99
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Like krochus mentioned, my leveractions have the rebounding type firing pins, where 'at full rest' theres no contact with the primer of a loaded round.
and about the only way it can fire is if I was silly enough to hold the trigger whilst climbing under a fence/branches, that would catch on the hammer and cock it.
rcmodel
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AH!
You got one of them new-fangled 94's then!
rc
You got one of them new-fangled 94's then!
rc
The Bushmaster
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rcmodel...The new fangled mod 94s are safer because the new fangled shooters are not.
Us old fangled shooters were safer because we fully understood the weapons that we carried and the pit falls they had/have. I will continue to carry my "ol' Jack handle" in the condition that I mentioned in my Post #27...I'll just have to remember that I have neither a "cross bolt" or "shotgun" safety on 'er.
Us old fangled shooters were safer because we fully understood the weapons that we carried and the pit falls they had/have. I will continue to carry my "ol' Jack handle" in the condition that I mentioned in my Post #27...I'll just have to remember that I have neither a "cross bolt" or "shotgun" safety on 'er.
rcmodel
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Same here.
I got way too many old Winchester levers & pumps to start worrying about it now!
Haven't managed to have an accident yet, so maybe I can make it the rest of the way.
rcmodel
I got way too many old Winchester levers & pumps to start worrying about it now!
Haven't managed to have an accident yet, so maybe I can make it the rest of the way.
rcmodel
1858rem
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very good!!! cannot believe what i see an hear sometimes lol
Couple of weeks ago I killed two with one shot using a 30-30 and soft points, distance was about 75 yds, hit the first through the neck, passed through and clipped the spinal cord behind the shoulders on the second. Both dropped and were dead when I got to them. Best part though was I had three witnesses.
Sorry I have to say it again. "WOW!"
Sorry to revive a old thread, but you are crazy if you think "the 30-30 is a poor round to take a deer with." It is the best deer round made. Years ago (1958) Winchesters sales slogan for the model 1894 was "the most popular hunting rifle ever built-bar none!" And in the same catalog of the same year states that "probably more deer have fallen to this old favorite in the past six decades than to all other rifles combined." I know it was chambered in more than 30-30, but most of them are. The 30-30 has killed everything from prairie dogs to deer, and from black bear to elk. And you are going to try and say it is not a good round for deer? I'm sorry but it is the round to take a deer with. The ones that are saying that probably hunt everything with a .300 win mag all scoped up. I am floored that anyone is dumb enough to say a 30-30 is not good enough to hunt a deer with. Wow, I am amazed every time I get on here.
243winxb
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No, you can hunt deer with it, if you want them to run off and be put down by some one shooting a 30-06. Experence counts, seen it many times. Deer hit well with the old 30-30, they run off like nothing touched them.
"MOST"
woodchuck315
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Lets see here. The 30-30 Winchester is THE MOST popular deer cartridge in brushy/wooded areas, that allow rifle.
"hit well with the old 30-30" Its all about a VITAL hit, not "hit well"
While I would prefer my .35remington, I will, eventually, have my grandpa's pre-64 Winchester 94. Just needs stock refinishing and it will look brand new. I already have a single-shot 30-30 barrel for my Savage 220 16ga shotgun, Might play around with some light .308 bullets and make more of a short-range varmint gun out of the 30-30. By varmints I mean woodchucks n coyotes. Just gotta find some load data, first.
"hit well with the old 30-30" Its all about a VITAL hit, not "hit well"
While I would prefer my .35remington, I will, eventually, have my grandpa's pre-64 Winchester 94. Just needs stock refinishing and it will look brand new. I already have a single-shot 30-30 barrel for my Savage 220 16ga shotgun, Might play around with some light .308 bullets and make more of a short-range varmint gun out of the 30-30. By varmints I mean woodchucks n coyotes. Just gotta find some load data, first.
243winxb
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A stick with a sharp stone on one end and a feather on the other will kill deer
You know I started to type out this another way for you to see this, but some people will never get it. So I deleted what I typed, and am saying happy hunting with your 30-30 Are we having fun yet
Hey, don't quit now, its just getting fun.
You know I started to type out this another way for you to see this, but some people will never get it. So I deleted what I typed, and am saying happy hunting with your 30-30 Are we having fun yet
Hey, don't quit now, its just getting fun.
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