300 Blackout, Should I add one to my collection?

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I’ve thought about 300 BO and have thought about asking a similar question to OP. Sadly, every discussion turns into a debate like this. So not wanting to get a tax stamp, I wonder what 300 BO does that I’d find useful.

Like OP I’ve held off and stayed with 223 for now as I try to figure it out. Frankly I find the 300 BO vs 7.62x39 debate just noise. I say that, as I look at each caliber I consider on its own pros and cons. I get some love 7.62x39, that’s great. But nothing says one can’t love multiple calibers. In fact I don’t see this as an either or. The beauty of the AR to me is the modular design. Simply snap a upper off and a different one on. And we go from 223 to 300 BO. Repeat and it’s 300 BO to 7.62x39. Repeat again and we’re back to 223 or off to 6.5 Grendel.

One reason I keep thinking about 300 BO is I hate wasting things. So when I started reloading, I kept the brass that I messed up. Some a simple cut will take brass that is no longer good for 223 and make it usable for 300 BO. I also love reloading, so it’s a no brainer from the prospective that the only things I need to make ammo in 300 BO are a set of dies, .62and some bullets. Well that and a cheap HF cut off saw.

I’m not interested in SBRs, pistol ARs or suppressed at this time so that leave good old carbines. That may change but for now It’s what it is.

I guess the tempting thing is, unless I’m missing something, that 300 BO is simply a barrel change. Or more accurately in my case another upper build. And from what I see the barrels aren’t very expensive. So as someone who’s getting into putting ARs together, this seems like a good excuse.

So in my case it’s, do I want to do a 300 BO build after I finish my current one or do I do a build in another caliber.

So in my case it seems silly but the debate wouldn’t be 300 BO vs 7.62x39 but 300 BO vs 22LR as I see 22LR ammo is becoming available again at cheap prices and having a dirt cheap option is also appealing. And even then the debate is not either or but one to see which is next.
 
I really have come to like mine alot. I thought it would be a neat thing to have in addition to a 223 upper, but it has become that the 300 blk is my default upper and the 223 is the addition.
 
Seems to me that most people who love to poop on the .300BO, do so because they don't understand its purpose. It has a very specific set of design parameters and if your purposes don't fit that box, it's not the cartridge for you. It is intended for BOTH supersonic and subsonic use, interchangeably, out of the AR platform. Lots of cartridges do either/or but the .300 does both very well. Not only does it do well with suppressors but subsonic loads, it can also utilize pistol suppressors. Try that with your .308. It was also designed to do well in short barrels. Most rifle cartridges do not. It was not intended to replace your trusty old .30-06. It was not intended for cheap plinking so any comparisons to cheap 5.56 or 7.62x39 ammo are irrelevant. NO centerfire rifle cartridge can compete for economy. Different tools for different uses. Much of this rhetoric is akin to deriding a crescent wrench because it's difficult to drive nails with.



If I wanted a 7.62x39, I would've bought one years ago. I didn't. I wanted the .300BO for suppressed subsonic AND supersonic use. It does both well, the 7.62x39 does not. I shoot everything from supersonic 110-125gr bullets to the various ~200gr subsonics. Can't do that in the 7.62x39. IMHO, the advantage to the 7.62x39 is cheap Russian ammo.
Agreed. My 300 BO is among my most favorite AR rifles. I also don't understand all the "if I could just get the money I spent" whining either! On a bored day, I bought a 16 inch carbine barrel in 300 BO from classic firearms. 89.00 bucks. 40.00 HF cutoff device, 40 dollar set of Lee dies.

I had everything else needed. Good gravy, take your AR wrench, loosen the barrel nut and install. 223 barrel and appropriate gas block. Ta duh. But, since the upper is a 35.00 Anderson, why bother.

18.5 grains of 1680 and a bunch of of 180 grain bullets and it is a gun that is very fun to shoot, and surprisingly accurate. Very surprising!

Russellc
 
Ok, I have a little more time now to answer your questions.

First of all, let me begin by saying that I own four rifles chambered in 7.62x39 and I have been shooting it for years. I bought my first SKS back in the early 1980s and shortly thereafter I bought an AK style rifle in 7.62x39. Currently I own a Russian SKS, a underfolder AK type rifle that I put together from a parts kit on a new receiver, a fixed stock AK style rifle, and a registered SBR Krinkov in 7.62x39. So I am not unfamiliar with the cartridge.

I shoot a lot by most people's standards and I have been doing that since I was a kid. I probably shoot on average four times a week. And to be honest, I sort of get bored with the same old thing. Bored might not be the right word. Maybe it's better to say that I like to try new things.

I have known about the .300 Whisper cartridge almost since it started. The guy who came up with it, JD Jones of SSK Industries lives about 10 miles from where I grew up. When I was a kid, he was a member of the same sportsmans club as my dad. And I grew up seeing him shooting a lot of his creations out at the club and hearing (usually second hand) about the stuff he was working on. Including the .300 Whisper. Obviously, years later, the .300 AAC Blackout became mainstream and it got a lot of discussion by a lot of people. And, I always thought it was something I thought was interesting and something I intended to try at some point. I got started in .300 Whisper about a year or so ago when I took a Remington 788 rifle, originally chambered in .223 Remington to SSK and had it rebarreled to .300 Whisper. Right off the bat, I really enjoyed it; for a number of reasons that I will get into later. I had so much fun with it, I ended up buying the Ruger American in .300 AAC Blackout.

When we talk about one cartridge "kicking some other cartridges butt", a number of factors come into play. First of all, there will always be another cartridge bigger and faster than whatever cartridge you are talking about. You say the 7.62x39 kicks the .300 AAC Blackout's butt. Ok, if you consider typically less than 100 fps more velocity being a butt kicking, OK. But if that really matters then the .308 Winchester kicks the 7.62x39's butt and the .300 Winchester Magnum kicks the .308s butt and so on. The question you have to ask yourself is: does this do anything meaningful or useful for me as the end user. In my case, it doesn't. Again, I shoot paper and I shoot steel. Having an extra 80 fps muzzle velocity does nothing for me. Yeah, it might shoot a little bit flatter at long range but if I know my dope, I simply had another click or two of elevation to the scope and I am there.

Magazines: I have easily put a thousand rounds through my Ruger American and the two magazines I have work fine. Yes, the first time or two I took them out they had a tendency to hang up on the first round out of the mag. I used them a little bit and the problem went away. My magazines hold six rounds. I shoot paper and steel. Having a 20 round not only doesn't add anything to my enjoyment of the rifle, it actually detracts from it because I am shooting mostly from the bench. I don't need 20 rounds in the gun. And the longer mag sticking out the bottom of the gun gets in the way of what I am doing with the rifle.

Cost of ammo. Like anybody, I wish ammo was cheaper. Hell, I wish ammo was free. But, for the majority of rifle shooting I enjoy, I don't go out of my way to find the cheapest possible thing to shoot. I reload all the ammo I shoot and when I am shooting a rifle, I am almost always shooting a fairly premium bullet. I am not trying to see how cheap I can shoot, I am trying to see how I can achieve the best possible accuracy. In my subsonic .300 Blackout loads, I am using 220 grain Sierra MatchKing bullets. Not the cheapest possible option. In supersonic bullets, my go to load is the 125 grain Sierra Tipped MatchKing. Again, not the cheapest option but one that seems to shoot the best in my gun. As I mentioned, I am currently playing with G9 bullets which are a super premium bullet. If I was looking for a cheaper .300 AAC Blackout ammo to plink with, I have tried two different coated, cast bullets. I played around with them using a few different powders and loads: they shot OK and if I was plinking they would work fine. They are FAR cheaper than the jacketed bullets I typically use. However, for what I do: shooting groups on paper and shooting steel at longer ranges, those cast bullets just didn't shoot good enough (for me) to be interesting. When Townsend Whelen said that only accurate rifles are interesting, he echoed my sentiments. Don't get me wrong, I do plink. I love plinking. But with this particular rifle, I am much more into shooting tight groups.
Bullets: The .308 diameter bullet may give a reloader the single biggest selection of bullets of any caliber out there. From 80 some grain bullets, on up and beyond 220 grain bullets. In addition, I load for the .308 Winchester and .30-06 so I have done a lot of work in .300 Blackout using bullets I had on hand. So the .308 diameter bullet makes a lot of sense for me. FWIW: I don't load 7.62x39. I have shot a fair bit of 7.62x39 ammo over the years, but it has always been surplus or low end ammo.
Powder: the .300 AAC Blackout uses the same powders as magnum revolver cartridges. The first time I opened a reloading manual to prepare to load .300 Whisper, I realized that I already had every single powder they listed for the caliber because for years I was into shooting .44 Magnum and .45 Colt handguns. Again, for me, this was a nice bonus.

The reloading process itself to me is very interesting and very rewarding. This is a hobby within a hobby. And I enjoy that aspect of the hobby almost as much as shooting itself. The .300 AAC Blackout has provided me with lots of stuff to play with. I mentioned the thing about the subsonics in passing but the point of me playing with them is that it taught me a lot about loading precision ammo. I have been reloading for decades, but achieving really good results with subsonics in .300 Blackout taught me a lot about precision reloading. I was not just stuffing powder and bullets in a case trying to produce cheap ammo: doing that doesn't work with subsonics past 50 yards. It required me doing a lot of research on how to lower my standard of deviation, keep very low extreme spreads, concentricity................ It was a great learning experience and with that knowledge I gained loading those subsonics it is now something that I use to produce much better quality ammo in my other rifles.

I have nothing against plinking. I have done a whole lot of it myself. I would hate to even guess how much ammo I have put down range, plinking. But I have guns that I use for plinking and this Blackout isn't one of them. And again, I am into shooting tight groups on paper and shooting steel at long range. So cheap/bulk ammo isn't something I am interested in for this rifle. In other guns I own and use for other purposes: that may be the main thing I am interested in.

Again, there are hundreds if not thousands of cartridges available to American shooters, and new ones are being developed every day. There are hundreds if not thousands of guns available to American shooters out there. And one reason for this is that different people have different interests in the shooting sports. What pulls your chain may not pull my chain. What you think is the do all and end all of guns or cartridges may not mean a thing to me; my idea of the do all and end all might be totally different either just because of personal preference or because we are using the guns for totally different things. And that is OK. There is nothing wrong with that. One of us is not right and the other wrong. The important thing is that we, as Americans, have those choices available to us and we have the luxury of living in a country where we can enjoy ourselves in the way we see fit.

Well put and I agree with you. I myself have no use for 7.62x39,
and have no interest in it, AKs, or bolt guns using this round, just me.

For that matter, I don't think I want a bolt gun in 300 BO either.
My AR in 300 BO was an inexpensive project. It's accuracy surprised me enough I am considering a pricier version!
Like you, I also spend extra on bullets, and SMK are a favorite of mine. That said, I have only tried 180 grain SP that I believe were Hornady.

Nothing against the 7.62x39, just no interest myself. The economies of cheap steel ammo does nothing for me, but a gun that used everything I already had except barrel did. Glad I tried it, I really enjoy shooting it, as well as reloading for it, which did require a bit of a learning curve for me.

BTW, I bought some fairly cheap Remington super sonic 300 BO ammo when the gun was first finished. Surprised to see it was loaded in some nice Barnes brass.

Russellc
 
Good points. The 7.62x39 and 300 BO are different tools for different jobs. I personally don't see the appeal of 300 BO if someone is not planning to shoot subsonics, but then that just my opinion. Like 1stmarine said, no sense hating calibers. They are just tools.

When a good friend of mine spent literally an hour trying to sell me on his newest toy (a 300 BO upper) I still asked "why?" because he was not shooting subsonics. If he had a can and was shooting subs, I would have been like "cool bro."

Anyway, we all have our favorites I suppose. It's good to have choices.

I have just the opposite opinion, not that is any more valid, this stuff is personal preference after all.

I have yet to shoot mine subsonic but plan to. I don't have a use for 7.62x39, if .223 or 300 BO won't do it, I go to .308. Plan on looking into 6mm and 6.5 calibers in the future. Maybe 300 WM, but not yet...no long range places nearby.

Russellc
 
I’ve thought about 300 BO and have thought about asking a similar question to OP. Sadly, every discussion turns into a debate like this. So not wanting to get a tax stamp, I wonder what 300 BO does that I’d find useful.

Like OP I’ve held off and stayed with 223 for now as I try to figure it out. Frankly I find the 300 BO vs 7.62x39 debate just noise. I say that, as I look at each caliber I consider on its own pros and cons. I get some love 7.62x39, that’s great. But nothing says one can’t love multiple calibers. In fact I don’t see this as an either or. The beauty of the AR to me is the modular design. Simply snap a upper off and a different one on. And we go from 223 to 300 BO. Repeat and it’s 300 BO to 7.62x39. Repeat again and we’re back to 223 or off to 6.5 Grendel.

One reason I keep thinking about 300 BO is I hate wasting things. So when I started reloading, I kept the brass that I messed up. Some a simple cut will take brass that is no longer good for 223 and make it usable for 300 BO. I also love reloading, so it’s a no brainer from the prospective that the only things I need to make ammo in 300 BO are a set of dies, .62and some bullets. Well that and a cheap HF cut off saw.

I’m not interested in SBRs, pistol ARs or suppressed at this time so that leave good old carbines. That may change but for now It’s what it is.

I guess the tempting thing is, unless I’m missing something, that 300 BO is simply a barrel change. Or more accurately in my case another upper build. And from what I see the barrels aren’t very expensive. So as someone who’s getting into putting ARs together, this seems like a good excuse.

So in my case it’s, do I want to do a 300 BO build after I finish my current one or do I do a build in another caliber.

So in my case it seems silly but the debate wouldn’t be 300 BO vs 7.62x39 but 300 BO vs 22LR as I see 22LR ammo is becoming available again at cheap prices and having a dirt cheap option is also appealing. And even then the debate is not either or but one to see which is next.
Yes, just a barrel change, and maybe a gas block. While stripped uppers are cheap, (Anderson has been on sale from 30 to 49 dollars here and there) no real need to snap on or off an upper.....just switch barrel and gas block, well and tube and you are good to go.

Russellc
 
Yes, just a barrel change, and maybe a gas block. While stripped uppers are cheap, (Anderson has been on sale from 30 to 49 dollars here and there) no real need to snap on or off an upper.....just switch barrel and gas block, well and tube and you are good to go.

Russellc

Do people actually use their 300 blackout this way? When you want to switch calibers you take your handguard off, get out your wrench and take off your barrel and gas tube, remove gas block and tube, place the gas block and tube on other barrel and retorque the barrel nut and reinstall the handguard? And then hope that your sighting system lines up with each of the calibers.

Everyone always talks about that it's a simple barrel change, that's akin to me saying my 7.62x39 is a simple barrel, bolt (not BCG) and magazine change, but do I do that? No way. I get that people like the 300 blackout and I think its a versatile round, but I have yet to run into anyone who goes to all the work to change a barrel out each time they want to switch calibers, maybe if I was retired, but my time is worth more than an extra $35 anderson upper, a cheap $50 handguard and another $50 for a gas block and tube. If I had to go to all that work to change calibers, one of the calibers would almost never get shot, I'll tell you that much. But that is me.

When I tried out the 300 Blackout it wasn't even in my mind to just buy a barrel, when I could spend an extra $150 and turn a 30-40 minute job into a 2 minute job. And when I found it wasn't for me, I got nearly all my money out of the parts, so no real loss of money.

It just seems that everyone wants to say well the 300 blackout is as simple as buying an $80 barrel and your ready to go. I bet a person does that changeover about one time and then realizes that they will spend the extra $150-$250 to make a complete upper.

I think there is a valid argument for the simple nature of the 300 blackout changeover from the 5.56 in that it uses no proprietary parts other than the barrel. I myself think that has value and is pretty worthwhile, but I have yet to find someone who goes through all the rigmarole to just buy a barrel and change out everything front of the upper receiver every time they want to shoot the other caliber and resight in a sighting system. I think the validity is that one can buy a barrel and swap everything out and try it for $80 and an hour of work, that allows one to see if it's a fit or not.
 
But it is absolutely true that if you want to try the .300BO and already have a 5.56, it is a simple barrel change. Then if you like it, you can complete an upper around it. If not, you're only out a barrel. Which is not to suggest that one might frequently switch from one to the other by swapping the barrel back and forth.
 
Do people actually use their 300 blackout this way? When you want to switch calibers you take your handguard off, get out your wrench and take off your barrel and gas tube, remove gas block and tube, place the gas block and tube on other barrel and retorque the barrel nut and reinstall the handguard? And then hope that your sighting system lines up with each of the calibers.

Everyone always talks about that it's a simple barrel change, that's akin to me saying my 7.62x39 is a simple barrel, bolt (not BCG) and magazine change, but do I do that? No way. I get that people like the 300 blackout and I think its a versatile round, but I have yet to run into anyone who goes to all the work to change a barrel out each time they want to switch calibers, maybe if I was retired, but my time is worth more than an extra $35 anderson upper, a cheap $50 handguard and another $50 for a gas block and tube. If I had to go to all that work to change calibers, one of the calibers would almost never get shot, I'll tell you that much. But that is me.

When I tried out the 300 Blackout it wasn't even in my mind to just buy a barrel, when I could spend an extra $150 and turn a 30-40 minute job into a 2 minute job. And when I found it wasn't for me, I got nearly all my money out of the parts, so no real loss of money.

It just seems that everyone wants to say well the 300 blackout is as simple as buying an $80 barrel and your ready to go. I bet a person does that changeover about one time and then realizes that they will spend the extra $150-$250 to make a complete upper.

I think there is a valid argument for the simple nature of the 300 blackout changeover from the 5.56 in that it uses no proprietary parts other than the barrel. I myself think that has value and is pretty worthwhile, but I have yet to find someone who goes through all the rigmarole to just buy a barrel and change out everything front of the upper receiver every time they want to shoot the other caliber and resight in a sighting system. I think the validity is that one can buy a barrel and swap everything out and try it for $80 and an hour of work, that allows one to see if it's a fit or not.

I did for awhile. I had 5 different barrels for one upper and I switched back and forth between them a couple times each. Once I finally had it sorted out which ones are keepers I got an extra upper to set up in 300 blk, kept one of the 223 wylde barrels, and sold the extra 3 barrels. I've been coming around to the idea of a 7.62x39 AR simply because the cost of entry is cheaper than a complete AK so I recently picked up a 7.62x39 bolt on sale. When I get around to getting a barrel I will take apart one of my two uppers to give it a try. If its a keeper I will then get another upper for it.
 
Like I had said in my post a few back, I can see the advantages of non-proprietary parts and the cheap availability of trying another caliber, but to always stay with the work of switching doesn't make sense. I think your example is the real advantage there, cheap to try out and decide which one to spend the extra money assembling a full upper.

Make sure you get an enhanced firing pin if shooting harder Russian steel primers on your 7.62x39.
 
The other thing I can see switching barrels for is if you want to deer hunt once a year with your AR. Put your 7.62 or 300 blackout barrel on a week before the season and sight it in and put it back when deer season is over. Same could be done if you happen to come across a qty of cheap ammo. Resale value on used AR parts is good so your really not out much to try out different stuff.
 
Do people actually use their 300 blackout this way? When you want to switch calibers you take your handguard off, get out your wrench and take off your barrel and gas tube, remove gas block and tube, place the gas block and tube on other barrel and retorque the barrel nut and reinstall the handguard? And then hope that your sighting system lines up with each of the calibers.

Everyone always talks about that it's a simple barrel change, that's akin to me saying my 7.62x39 is a simple barrel, bolt (not BCG) and magazine change, but do I do that? No way. I get that people like the 300 blackout and I think its a versatile round, but I have yet to run into anyone who goes to all the work to change a barrel out each time they want to switch calibers, maybe if I was retired, but my time is worth more than an extra $35 anderson upper, a cheap $50 handguard and another $50 for a gas block and tube. If I had to go to all that work to change calibers, one of the calibers would almost never get shot, I'll tell you that much. But that is me.

When I tried out the 300 Blackout it wasn't even in my mind to just buy a barrel, when I could spend an extra $150 and turn a 30-40 minute job into a 2 minute job. And when I found it wasn't for me, I got nearly all my money out of the parts, so no real loss of money.

It just seems that everyone wants to say well the 300 blackout is as simple as buying an $80 barrel and your ready to go. I bet a person does that changeover about one time and then realizes that they will spend the extra $150-$250 to make a complete upper.

I think there is a valid argument for the simple nature of the 300 blackout changeover from the 5.56 in that it uses no proprietary parts other than the barrel. I myself think that has value and is pretty worthwhile, but I have yet to find someone who goes through all the rigmarole to just buy a barrel and change out everything front of the upper receiver every time they want to shoot the other caliber and resight in a sighting system. I think the validity is that one can buy a barrel and swap everything out and try it for $80 and an hour of work, that allows one to see if it's a fit or not.
The question I responded to was whether or not that was all that was required, not if this would be how I would change it back in forth. My method for that is to pick up a different gun out of the pile.

If one wants to try it, or convert a gun over, yes, that is all that is required, exactly as I said.

At the price of AR stuff these days, I would just build another gun. Also, like I said here only so recently, with the price I've seen on stripped uppers, why not build the whole upper? I have uppers in my safe, ready to go, and spare bolt carriers. Barrels too.

Frankly, switching out a barrel is no big trick if I am at home or elsewhere with a vice and my tools. The handguards I have been using only require two bolts be loosened, that leaves the flash hider, and the handguard style I am using does not require timing with the tube, so off with the barrel nut, repeat with different barrel/block/tube, torque and it's done.

As to cost, let's see, 10 for the tube 50 for the block, 40 for the upper, 90 the barrel. That was 190 and I rounded everything up. If that, or 250 to 350 for that matter is out of one's budget, I sure understand that, but it takes nothing away from what I said at all.

Russellc
 
The other thing I can see switching barrels for is if you want to deer hunt once a year with your AR. Put your 7.62 or 300 blackout barrel on a week before the season and sight it in and put it back when deer season is over. Same could be done if you happen to come across a qty of cheap ammo. Resale value on used AR parts is good so your really not out much to try out different stuff.
Yup.

Russellc
 
One thing I will add, I don't know how hard it is on an upper to keep torquing and retorquing it.

That's why I bought the inexpensive yet high quality Anderson on sale a while back, was to put this 300 BO barrel on.

If I decide I want a really nice forging for it, I will buy one. Same for the barrel. I have not shot this rifle beyond 50 yards at a range, but with a rest it was basically ragged hole accurate, a few fliers on me, it does have the basic milspec trigger, I usually change out for a Giselle 2 stage, but haven't yet. I could try it on one of my lowers that does, I guess. This gun is more of a beater, but so impressed am I, that I may use a spare Seekins lower that is in my safe with a Seekins upper for it and a better barrel and so on. Right now, along with fairly inexpensive red dot, it's accuracy is fine. Big fan here! It deserves a better optic as well.

As to time wasted and not being worth it, I don't look at it that way. At what I bill out for legal work, it isn't a good financial decision to do this way, but I enjoy it. I have built all my ARs and at today's prices, you can buy a complete upper or gun for not much, compounding the financial aspect. But, I actually enjoy it, and that is how some of my spare time is spent. Look at the costs of education these days, it cost me a lot of money for law school, and it cost a lot of frustration to learn to build these guns, but the yield was good, I can repair, (within reason) identify and understand the parts and assemble my gun.

While it is rewarding to shoot your own reloads and have them be accurate, the reward is amplified when it's through your own hand built gun.

I have particularly enjoyed my .300 black out in both regards.

Russellc
 
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Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's best. As others said it's an option. And one to consider if it might work for you.

I'm glad you asked if people do this though, as I never thought about actually swapping out a barrel to try a different caliber. I guess with all of the other parts except for the handguard being fairly cheap my thought is to just get another stripped upper and put one together. That said, it's nice to know there are different options and depending on how much one wants to tinker how involved this can be!

The reality is that the adage that ARs is like Legos seems to be so true, so I see AR parts showing up when I have a few extra dollars here and there and I find them on sale. For instance, I didn't need 4 stripped lowers, but Primary Arms sale at $30 a piece was just too good to pass up. If I see an upper deal like that, I can see them getting mates. Likewise, I can see a few handguards being purchased if/when a great deal comes along.

grrrr. I guess the reality is that the bug bit and now it's just a matter of trying to keep it contained and not to far out of control!
 
I did for awhile. I had 5 different barrels for one upper and I switched back and forth between them a couple times each. Once I finally had it sorted out which ones are keepers I got an extra upper to set up in 300 blk, kept one of the 223 wylde barrels, and sold the extra 3 barrels. I've been coming around to the idea of a 7.62x39 AR simply because the cost of entry is cheaper than a complete AK so I recently picked up a 7.62x39 bolt on sale. When I get around to getting a barrel I will take apart one of my two uppers to give it a try. If its a keeper I will then get another upper for it.
Same bolt carrier then...so I would need a bolt and barrel? Do they use the same mags as well? If so I think it wise to look for a barrel and bolt.

Is the gas tube similar to regular AR 15, carbine, mid, rifle? What type of buffer and spring are required?

If all I need is bolt and barrel assembly, I think I see my next upper. Who knows, it's always good to have such alternative calibers in case of any ammo famines.

It's not so much the cost of the upper in totality that gets my attention, it's knowing I will want dies, brass and bullets. Bullets I guess will have to be different, since I also have .308, the 300 BO shared that at least.

Now to see if Redding makes their Competition die set in this 7.62x39....Maybe Lee for now?

I think I have seen ruger American in this caliber...
Russellc
 
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Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's best. As others said it's an option. And one to consider if it might work for you.

I'm glad you asked if people do this though, as I never thought about actually swapping out a barrel to try a different caliber. I guess with all of the other parts except for the handguard being fairly cheap my thought is to just get another stripped upper and put one together. That said, it's nice to know there are different options and depending on how much one wants to tinker how involved this can be!

The reality is that the adage that ARs is like Legos seems to be so true, so I see AR parts showing up when I have a few extra dollars here and there and I find them on sale. For instance, I didn't need 4 stripped lowers, but Primary Arms sale at $30 a piece was just too good to pass up. If I see an upper deal like that, I can see them getting mates. Likewise, I can see a few handguards being purchased if/when a great deal comes along.

grrrr. I guess the reality is that the bug bit and now it's just a matter of trying to keep it contained and not to far out of control!
No kidding, and someone just had to bring up 6.5 Gren..

It's going to be an expensive new year...

Russellc
 
Same bolt carrier then...so I would need a bolt and barrel? Do they use the same mags as well? If so I think it wise to look for a barrel and bolt.

Is the gas tube similar to regular AR 15, carbine, mid, rifle? What type of buffer and spring are required?

If all I need is bolt and barrel assembly, I think I see my next upper. Who knows, it's always good to have such alternative calibers in case of any ammo famines.

It's not so much the cost of the upper in totality that gets my attention, it's knowing I will want dies, brass and bullets. Bullets I guess will have to be different, since I also have .308, the 300 BO shared that at least.

Now to see if Redding makes their Competition die set in this 7.62x39....Maybe Lee for now?

I think I have seen ruger American in this caliber...
Russellc

The proprietary parts needed for x39 upper are:
1. Barrel ($80-150): some barrel makers have widened the feed ramps on their extensions, my Yankee Hill Machine barrel has been nearly perfect (2-3 misfeeds in the first 50 rounds but since has been flawless, and that is with HP, SP, FMJ.
2. Bolt - ($60) (BCG is the same) (I would make sure it is 9310 or better alloy) I have an AIM NiB 9310 (which you can find complete BCG on sale for $99 for Park, $129 for NiB) and it has been great for me.
3. Enhanced firing pin ($10-15) (more protrusion for harder russian primers)
4. Magazine ($12-15) (C-Products is best, ASC mags are good also) a good source is North River Distributors, just FYI the 28 rounders fit in standard 30 round magazine pouches, the 30 rounders have more of a curve and don't fit. I particularly only have 1-30 round, I prefer 10's and 20's.

Total: $162-240 depending on tastes.

Carbine Gas for the dirtier russian ammo, if reloading brass for accuracy then midlength or rifle would work
H2 buffer
 
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Same bolt carrier then...so I would need a bolt and barrel? Do they use the same mags as well? If so I think it wise to look for a barrel and bolt.

Is the gas tube similar to regular AR 15, carbine, mid, rifle? What type of buffer and spring are required?

If all I need is bolt and barrel assembly, I think I see my next upper. Who knows, it's always good to have such alternative calibers in case of any ammo famines.

It's not so much the cost of the upper in totality that gets my attention, it's knowing I will want dies, brass and bullets. Bullets I guess will have to be different, since I also have .308, the 300 BO shared that at least.

Now to see if Redding makes their Competition die set in this 7.62x39....Maybe Lee for now?

I think I have seen ruger American in this caliber...
Russellc

Are we talking about 300 blk or 7.62x39. 300 blk just needs a barrel and the right gas tube. Mags and bcg and everything is the same. 7.62x39 requires a barrel and bolt and magazine.

I'm no AR expert. I'm new to this too.
 
Are we talking about 300 blk or 7.62x39. 300 blk just needs a barrel and the right gas tube. Mags and bcg and everything is the same. 7.62x39 requires a barrel and bolt and magazine.

I'm no AR expert. I'm new to this too.

You are right on both accounts, but I would add that the enhanced firing pin is needed on the x39 for reliability on russian ammo.
 
No kidding, and someone just had to bring up 6.5 Gren..

It's going to be an expensive new year...

Russellc

LOL
yes it is

Oh come on now. 300 Blackout, 22LR and 6.5 Grendel, are on the list of calibers of uppers I'd like to build. I guess it's good that I grabbed lowers when they were $30 each. Now to be patient and wait for uppers and other parts to go on sale to turn those "upper builds" into full blown rifles. (Don't tell anyone but I see the start of a problem here. And I also see a valid answer to the anti comment of "No one NEEDS an AR". Why yes they're RIGHT, I don't NEED AN AR. I NEED MORE!!!!)

but it's also going to be a fun one.

I think it's also going to be a good year for many of us. The economy is finally heating up, and many of us are getting out of the mess from the DEPRESSION.

So I hope everyone has a happy and Great 2018.
 
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