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If you don't live in an NFA friendly state and you don't plan on shooting subsonic/suppressor, I'd pass on the 300BO.
I have two and think it's a great hunting round for PA whitetail and being able to hunt with my suppressor is a big plus.
Recoil isn't an issue for adults or children as the most powder you are going to get inside a 223 case is roughly 20 grs.
I have two and think it's a great hunting round for PA whitetail and being able to hunt with my suppressor is a big plus.
Recoil isn't an issue for adults or children as the most powder you are going to get inside a 223 case is roughly 20 grs.
bangswitch
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Sort of my thoughts, too.
You could choose many better calibers if you want a bolt gun. The 300BLK's forte is giving you a .30 cal rifle in an AR platform that will use the entire .223/5.56 package, with just a barrel change. The cartridge lends itself well to a wide variety of bullet weights, from 110 gr. to 220 gr., and velocities from 900 fps to around 2300 fps. It makes a great choice for a tactical subsonic, suppressed rifle, shooting heavyweight .30 cal bullets.
They have better ballistic performance than 7.62x39, and with lightweight supersonic ammo are effective out to 250-300 yards or so. I have a 300BLK M4 carbine; I don't have a suppressor, and rarely shoot subs with it, but mostly use 125 or 155 gr ammo. It'll knock down steel at 300 yards.
What are your plans for the rifle, maybe we can suggest something better?
my plans are a mild recoil so the kid can shoot, good for range
and target with possible hog/deer gun but range/target mostly.
I do reload was looking at the 300 , .243 , or possible lever 30/30
not looking to shoot 1k yard stuff local range is 100 yrd. I do have .223/5.56 semi rifles so many choices out there all advise
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and target with possible hog/deer gun but range/target mostly.
I do reload was looking at the 300 , .243 , or possible lever 30/30
not looking to shoot 1k yard stuff local range is 100 yrd. I do have .223/5.56 semi rifles so many choices out there all advise
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Sunray
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How is a suppressor any kind of advantage?
The Blackout is yet another answer to an unasked question. Lets you use an AR platform with a .30 calibre bullet(great big heavy ones too), but does nothing differently.
The Ruger's barrel may be to short for your kids. Muzzle flash and blast might put 'em off. Shouldn't be horrible though. A 110 grain bullet runs a few hundred fps faster than a .30 Carbine.
The Blackout is yet another answer to an unasked question. Lets you use an AR platform with a .30 calibre bullet(great big heavy ones too), but does nothing differently.
The Ruger's barrel may be to short for your kids. Muzzle flash and blast might put 'em off. Shouldn't be horrible though. A 110 grain bullet runs a few hundred fps faster than a .30 Carbine.
allaroundhunter
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The .300blk allows you to use an AR15, fire subsonic ammunition, and have the rifle still cycle.
It is most definitely an answer to a question, and it is a good answer at that.
It is most definitely an answer to a question, and it is a good answer at that.
He's from Canada and their gun laws are even more screwed up than in the US, so I wouldn't take what he has to say to heart.
My 300BO loaded subsonic with my TBAC is very quiet. I dig it...if you don't like the 300BO no biggie.
As with many things in life, it's not for everyone. Like it...GREAT. Don't like it, GREAT. Makes no difference to me.
My 300BO loaded subsonic with my TBAC is very quiet. I dig it...if you don't like the 300BO no biggie.
As with many things in life, it's not for everyone. Like it...GREAT. Don't like it, GREAT. Makes no difference to me.
Swampman
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Have you considered a bolt gun in 30-30?
For a reloader that's mainly interested in target shooting and hunting without a can, it'll easily outperform the .300 Blackout or 7.62x39 when you load it up with Spitzer bullets.
The 6.5x55 Swede might be another good choice. Handloaded to moderate speeds with 100 grain Partitions the recoil is negligible, but its still a pretty good killer. It's also capable of moving up in power as your kid grows and is capable of taking larger game, at longer ranges than the other calibers you mentioned.
The fact that you're a handloader is key to your decision. It gives you a lot of options.
For a reloader that's mainly interested in target shooting and hunting without a can, it'll easily outperform the .300 Blackout or 7.62x39 when you load it up with Spitzer bullets.
The 6.5x55 Swede might be another good choice. Handloaded to moderate speeds with 100 grain Partitions the recoil is negligible, but its still a pretty good killer. It's also capable of moving up in power as your kid grows and is capable of taking larger game, at longer ranges than the other calibers you mentioned.
The fact that you're a handloader is key to your decision. It gives you a lot of options.
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The only reason I have one is because I bult a machine to rough cut the brass for a local business. Ruined a bunch of .223 brass test running it. Palmetto running a sale on their 8.5" barrels for $79 sealed the deal.
Haven't found any thing it can do that other AR's I have don't already do but you can't have one of everything without one.
Haven't found any thing it can do that other AR's I have don't already do but you can't have one of everything without one.
Been playing with mine at the ranch this year. So far a couple of deer and a couple of pigs taken with it at ranges from 160 to 205 yards. Very low recoil, love shooting it with the suppressor. I'm running full house loads and 110 grain bullets, subsonic just doesn't do it for me hunting but it is a pretty cool round with full power loads.
alientrainwreck
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Here's two rifles that are really good guns for the money .. Ruger mini-14 223 and ruger mini-30 7.62×39 and if you must have a bolt gun mossbergs patrol carbine in 223 or 308 and since you reload you can load Reduced loads for the 308 that a youth whould have no problems shooting and the accept ar-15 and ar-10 mags..the mossberg patrolman carbine is a nice looking rifle and its a high capacty bolt action.
A shoulder fired pistol in .300 Blackout is the ideal way to do it. The cartridge is filled with .44 Rem Mag powder to be efficient in short barrels unlike any other rifle cartridge you will find at Wal-Mart. Small guns are easy to live with, and when you give it the power to kill medium sized game it becomes an all in one fun gun. The same way a Subaru WRX is a go-cart and a family car for some.
A marlin 336C is considerably cheaper and less suspicious looking though, and with leveREvolution ammo it will perform better. Food for thought.
A marlin 336C is considerably cheaper and less suspicious looking though, and with leveREvolution ammo it will perform better. Food for thought.
bangswitch
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OP says he's looking for a bolt gun, and asked if 300BLK would be a good choice for it. As much as I like my 300BLK AR, I think he could pick a better caliber for his stated purpose.
Since you reload, OP, you can control recoil with powder loads to a great extent, for the sake of your son. My suggestion for a good paper punching bolt action target rifle that has great accuracy potential, would be a .243 or a 7mm-08. Both are "children" of the .308, both are readily available (brass, bullets, and factory loaded), and both can be downloaded to satisfy the lighter recoil/shorter range you plan to shoot with your son. They are also outstanding calibers for the game you're after, and can be powered up for hunting, and for when your son is older.
Since you reload, OP, you can control recoil with powder loads to a great extent, for the sake of your son. My suggestion for a good paper punching bolt action target rifle that has great accuracy potential, would be a .243 or a 7mm-08. Both are "children" of the .308, both are readily available (brass, bullets, and factory loaded), and both can be downloaded to satisfy the lighter recoil/shorter range you plan to shoot with your son. They are also outstanding calibers for the game you're after, and can be powered up for hunting, and for when your son is older.
Ibmikey
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Before they are rare as the DoDo bird you should look at the AAC Handi Rifle in 300 Blackout. What a fun rifle to shoot and short enough to put in your back pocket (well almost). I killed a bunch of Texas hogs with the one my buddy gave me including a 350# monster that took one shot from the 300.
I have many in 300 Blackout :four AR's of varying barrel lengths, one pistol, a single shot and shoot only supersonic. The cartridge is easy to reload and I plink with them right along with my 5.56 AR's.
This is a reloaders delight and a super cartridge out to 150--200 yards with lighter supersonic loads and can be fired in AR, Bolt or SS rifles.
I have many in 300 Blackout :four AR's of varying barrel lengths, one pistol, a single shot and shoot only supersonic. The cartridge is easy to reload and I plink with them right along with my 5.56 AR's.
This is a reloaders delight and a super cartridge out to 150--200 yards with lighter supersonic loads and can be fired in AR, Bolt or SS rifles.
Swampman
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In an AR with subsonic loads, it's pretty much without peer.
If you reload and you're shooting a bolt gun, there's nothing it can do that can't be easily outdone by other calibers.
Don't get a .300 Blackout just because it's the "in" thing.
It's an excellent caliber if you want to shoot semi auto subsonic from an AR type rifle, but that's what it's MEANT for.
Even the 7.62x39 leaves it in the dust in the supersonic realm. Folks that speak of its superior ballistics to the 7.62x39 or 30-30 are only talking about the superior external ballistics of PROJECTILES, in a bolt rifle with a .308 bore, all the magic of the Blackout vanishes into thin air.
There are other calibers that can do anything the Blackout can do in a bolt rifle, PLUS a lot more.
If you reload and you're shooting a bolt gun, there's nothing it can do that can't be easily outdone by other calibers.
Don't get a .300 Blackout just because it's the "in" thing.
It's an excellent caliber if you want to shoot semi auto subsonic from an AR type rifle, but that's what it's MEANT for.
Even the 7.62x39 leaves it in the dust in the supersonic realm. Folks that speak of its superior ballistics to the 7.62x39 or 30-30 are only talking about the superior external ballistics of PROJECTILES, in a bolt rifle with a .308 bore, all the magic of the Blackout vanishes into thin air.
There are other calibers that can do anything the Blackout can do in a bolt rifle, PLUS a lot more.
rodinal220
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300 AAC BO is best for four reasons:
You are going to run an AR platform with all its benefits.Only the barrel is different,everything else is the same.
You are going to use a barrel 7-10" so your AR is now the size of an HK MP5(the cartridge really was designed for short barrels and is very efficient;
really a waste in longer barrels)
You get 7.62x39 ballistics(5.56 not the best in shorties,was really for 20" barrel)
Option for both supersonic and subsonic ammo(suppressor use).Cartridge was originally the 300 Whisper for suppressed use with heavy 220-240gr .30 cal projos.
Its the cats ass 0-300m PDW.
You are going to run an AR platform with all its benefits.Only the barrel is different,everything else is the same.
You are going to use a barrel 7-10" so your AR is now the size of an HK MP5(the cartridge really was designed for short barrels and is very efficient;
really a waste in longer barrels)
You get 7.62x39 ballistics(5.56 not the best in shorties,was really for 20" barrel)
Option for both supersonic and subsonic ammo(suppressor use).Cartridge was originally the 300 Whisper for suppressed use with heavy 220-240gr .30 cal projos.
Its the cats ass 0-300m PDW.
Elkins45
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If you're a reloader and want to shoot cast lead bullets in the AR platform it really is the best option without getting into oddball stuff that requires a new bolt and new mags.
I have a 10" upper I shoot subsonic suppressed and a 16" I use for supers. Both are a LOT of fun.
I have a 10" upper I shoot subsonic suppressed and a 16" I use for supers. Both are a LOT of fun.
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At what? I can't get loads for my 300 to even get close to my 458 socom.
A Hornady 220g .308 bullet going 1050 fps at the muzzle has 538 ft/lb of energy, at 300 yds it has 378 ft/lb and dropped 111.7"
A Hornady 500g .458 bullet going 1050 fps at the muzzle has 1224 ft/lb of energy, at 300 yds it has 848 ft/lb and drops 1.3" more than the .308 load.
That is over 300 ft/lb more energy at 300 yds for the 458 than the 300 has at the muzzle.
Zerodefect
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But how much louder is .458 with a suppressor?
.300blk is the king of AR suppressors and short barrels. That's it's niche.
.300blk is the king of AR suppressors and short barrels. That's it's niche.
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My 458 socom is quieter than my 300 blk but I made my own 458 can on a form 1 that has much more volume than the 762 SD I use on the 300.
Both rounds use pretty much the same slower pistol powders that don't require long barrels for good results. Not that it takes much of a barrel to make subsonic speeds anyway.
Both rounds use pretty much the same slower pistol powders that don't require long barrels for good results. Not that it takes much of a barrel to make subsonic speeds anyway.
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Not that the power isn't still going to be tilted in the Socom's favor but why would you further skew the results in the socom's favor by using a 220gr round nose that nobody loads the BO with. Using a proper boat tail match bullet will add 50+ Ft Lbs and cut a foot off the BO's drop.
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jmorris,
And your also going to pay a heck of a lot more for the .458.
That being said, I still want the .458
And your also going to pay a heck of a lot more for the .458.
That being said, I still want the .458
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I used the heaviest bullet that I have and likely a better BC representation of the cast and coated heavys many are using.
Using the 208 g Hornady A-max with a BC of .648 you do get 9.8" less drop at 300 yds and have 426 ft/lbs of energy, still about half of what the 458 takes there.
More importantly it only changes the maximum point blank range by 2 yards, using a 6" vital zone.
Meaning at 300 yds they both are less than ideal and act more like a loaf of bread than a bullet at subsonic speeds.
At 150 yards, a more appropriate range to hunt to with subsonics the 208 a-max has a 1.4" better trajectory than the 500g bullet but at the cost of 541 ft/lbs of energy (463 ft/lb for the 208 and 1004 ft/lb for the 500)
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