308 and 223 vs 264 30-06 220 22-250
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Kachok
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No doubt. Everything from primer ignition to brass thickness, to EXACT case volume come into play when you are talking about 1,000 yards. In genral short action or super short action have a natural advantage. If anyone doubts that just look at the track record of the 6mm PPC.
R.W.Dale
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when you find a 264 win mag that bests the 1000yd world record 4.2" 6mm BR fired group talked about in this article please get back to us
http://www.6mmbr.com/page/page/1309618.htm
Kachok
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I am begining to think that Jake here knows absolutly nothing about long range shooting or hunting. I have never seen a .264 place in the top 10 at any 600yd or 1000yd match. I have seen 7mm mags, 300 mags, 6.5-284s, 6mm PPCs, 300 WBY mags, 243s, 6.5x55s, 308s, even a few 30-06s but never a .264 that I can remember. If it is such a top notch long range target rifle why does no one use it? Because it burns the heck our of every barrel they fire it through!!! The Nosler guys burned through three barrels just developing the loads for their manual. That sir is the reason very few people use such a crazy overbore rifle, and the few that do have more money then me and a gunsmith on speed dial.
Kachok
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Yeah it is a heck of a deer hammer no doubt. Good long range ballistics, good selection of 6.5mm bullets for a handloader, that said I still perfer my 270 WSM but I won't diss a .264 as a solid hunting round. Just remember one thing if you get your dream gun. Any expanding bullet at those speeds will gel the shoulders instantly. Keep your shots behind the shoulder and hit both lungs if you actualy intend to eat that deer. I have seen both front shoulders have to be thrown away due to badly gunshot meat.
Kachok
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??? Did I say somthing wrong? I have to shoot behind the shoulder with my high speed rifles too if it makes you feel any better. Jello meat is not really tasty IMHO
Kachok
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Yep 3300 fps ballistic tips will Jello both front shoulders, I have done it once before and won't ever do it again. Low speed bullets make less gunshot meat.
Kachok
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270 WSM it is a BAD BOY 
unwise11
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Pretty sure my .308 can thump you over any day of the week.
1996? you're 14? Me too. Now stop shooting your mouth off.
.308 is not a magnum caliber, it was designed to replace the 30-06 for service rifles.
It has nearly 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle.
Which is no "far inferior" cartridge.
You literallly joined yesterday, no one here has ever spoken to you, you asked for a reply 30 minutes after you started your thread, patience..
whats so great about .223 and .308?
Good for asking, I have never seen .264 win mag on a shelf that was not asking over 30 bucks per box.
the .223 caliber bullets arent comparable to the .30 cals but Wally world sells .223 relatively cheap for brass cased copper jacketed ammo.
I'm gonna tell you straight up.
Most of these guys know more than you, and me.
And you didn't really have a question. It seemed more like a debate topic.
1996? you're 14? Me too. Now stop shooting your mouth off.
.308 is not a magnum caliber, it was designed to replace the 30-06 for service rifles.
It has nearly 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle.
Which is no "far inferior" cartridge.
You literallly joined yesterday, no one here has ever spoken to you, you asked for a reply 30 minutes after you started your thread, patience..
whats so great about .223 and .308?
Good for asking, I have never seen .264 win mag on a shelf that was not asking over 30 bucks per box.
the .223 caliber bullets arent comparable to the .30 cals but Wally world sells .223 relatively cheap for brass cased copper jacketed ammo.
I'm gonna tell you straight up.
Most of these guys know more than you, and me.
And you didn't really have a question. It seemed more like a debate topic.
USSR
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Nothing "great" about either of those cartridges. The fact that they are current military issue rounds assures their popularity with civilians, just as it did in the past for the .45/70, .30-06, .45 Colt, .45ACP, etc.
Don
I have a bit of advice for the OP....patience is a virtue, and arguing incessently with those obviously more knowledgeable than you is never a pretty picture. I can understand a thirst for knowledge, but do we really need 4 or 5 threads.....created within hours...comparing this cartridge to that cartridge? To make a long story short, theres a variety of calibers out there so people can buy EXACTLY what they want. Yopu might want a 300 Win Mag....I might want a .308....NEITHER one is BETTER than the other, it just depends on what you want it for, the ranges you shoot at, etc. Asking for comparisons will get you a lot of opinions, but NO ONE can definitvely say that caliber x is better than caliber y without knowing what type of gun, what kind of hunting/shooting you do most often, etc. Different cartridges fill differnt niches. If I hunt deer somewhere where my longest shot is no further than 150 yards, I don't NEED a magnum 30 cal to kill my deer....even the lowly 30-30 is more than adaquet at those ranges, and is effective without the added recoil, muzzle blast, or COST of killing that same deer equally dead with the newest wondermag out there. Yeah, the 300 winnie may have imporessive ballistics, but high performance...when its not needed....is money wasted. If you never plan on drving faster than the speed limit, a Ford Focus makes more sense than a Dodge Viper.....right? Getting angry or arguing the responses to your threads doesn't 't help battle the perception people are getting of you. While it never hurts to ask an honest question, posting questions as a pretext to an argument you seemingly want to have is in poor taste, IMO. If you don't want to be labeled as a troll by the membership at large, maybe you could/should rethink your attitude and how its being precived by others.
I'm not trying to ruin your fun here...quite the contrary actually. If you want to be respected, take a more respectful tone with your posts, and maybe hang back a bit and see how other members conduct themselves in conversation. Using a little discretion in what you say and how its said goes a LONG way towards peoples impressions of you....
and now on to a point of fact:
I'm not trying to ruin your fun here...quite the contrary actually. If you want to be respected, take a more respectful tone with your posts, and maybe hang back a bit and see how other members conduct themselves in conversation. Using a little discretion in what you say and how its said goes a LONG way towards peoples impressions of you....
and now on to a point of fact:
Really? They did? Last I checked, the 5.56 is our standard military round....and guess what, the 5.56, for all practical purposes, IS the .223 remington round. AS a military superpower, we are ALWAYS looking for the "next best thing" in a weapons system, but to state the army has rejected this round....when its currently in use in two major conflicts as we speak.....and with m-16/M4's being our standard infantry weapon....is grossly erroneous
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unwise11
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this. on the money.
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this. on the money.
R.W.Dale
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A rifle you only shoot a couple dozen times a year is a rifle you suck with PURE AND SIMPLE, proficiency takes practice and practice takes more than a couple dozen shots a year. If youre not shooting any more than that I can assure you that no matter how well you THINK you can shoot in reality you won't be able to hit squat beyond your rifles max PBR range of around 300yds
Misses with an accurate hard hitting cartridge are pretty ineffective
BrocLuno
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All these calibers are fun. Take your pick 
I don't own a .223 - shot to many when I was in. I do own a .308 as a good all around pointy bullet gun and am on the hunt for another. I also have some 30-06's as project guns. I have a 22-250 that is pretty impressive, but has limited use. 257 Roberts as best compromise gun if I'm going out of state with varied game.
Around my neck of the woods, the 30-30 still sits by the kitchen door if I have to defend my wifes veggie garden.
I don't own a .223 - shot to many when I was in. I do own a .308 as a good all around pointy bullet gun and am on the hunt for another. I also have some 30-06's as project guns. I have a 22-250 that is pretty impressive, but has limited use. 257 Roberts as best compromise gun if I'm going out of state with varied game.
Around my neck of the woods, the 30-30 still sits by the kitchen door if I have to defend my wifes veggie garden.
R.W.Dale
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Eh a good harmless troll every once in a while is good fun.
Kachok
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To all haters or the 308. First off it is nearly identical in performance to the 30-06 so if the 308 is inadiquate so it the 06. Seconly the 308 has done superb in the hands of our snipers for many years now, droping bad guys at 800 yards with boring regularity. Lastly just because you cannot see the virtue in a round that does not fly 50,000,000,000 fps with 1,872,931,098,632,876 ft lbs of energy does not make it useless to the rest of us who can actualy shoot. The 308 will continue to drop big game long after you and I are dead and gone.
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