308 and 223 vs 264 30-06 220 22-250

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All I have to say is you'd be surprised. Inside 100 on a calm day centerfires have absolutely NOTHING on a 22lr when it's shooting high quality match ammo.

But that's really an apples to pears conparson (rimfire vs centerfire). If you compare say 22-250 to say 7.62x39 from identical firearms the deciding factor will be ammunition quality and not what's stamped on the casehead



FOR those on the know this is called hunting over bait.
 
Jake1996 said:
Crap on the 308! There are a lot better rounds.
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Son you are making yourself sound really ignorant and dumb.

Many people here have real world experience with these rounds. Thats better than what you read out of some book.
 
Amen Brother. I have real world experence and no magazine pushing the newest unlta mag is going to tell me my 308 is useless, I laugh at thier stupidity. I laugh even harder when somone starts talking bad about the 100+ year old 30-06, 45-70, 7x57, 30-30, and 6.5x55 these are simply the most proven hunting calibers anywhere in the world. If they were not truly effective calibers on big game they would have died off many years ago.
 
I believe the shorter overall of 308 is a big plus...Why it is where it is regarding liked vs unliked or, not many around of late...

Who does not make a 308 in their rifle line up:D major manufactures please;)

Similar with the 223:what::D

Pretty much a no brainer:confused:

Regards
 
All the young hunters coming up seem to think that there is some kind of race to see who's bullet gets to the deer the fastest. What nonsence. I will shoot them dead as anything, quick as anything with my 6.5x55 at 2500 fps or a 30-30 at 2300 fps heck even a well placed arrow at 265 fps. They also seem to think that 400-500 yard shots are the norm. This is just plain stupid. 98% of all deer killed in North America are still killed within 200 yards. Sure I have a magnum for when I hunt wide open farm feilds, but the rest of the time the magnum stays home and my puney old 6.5x55 or my 308 goes with me. I have been hunting for over 20 years and I have yet to track anything I have ever shot with my "usless" old calibers.
 
My two .30 cal hunting rifles are a Rem700 SPS SS in .308 and a Savage 116 FHSAK in .30-06 with Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 scopes with Rapid Z600 reticles. I also handload.

With that as background, I find my Rem .308 shoots about a 0.25" tighter group over the same distance (100 yds) than my Savage using comparable loads of 168gr SMKs. If I had a matching Savage 16 or Rem .30-06, I'd feel better comparing. All that said, my Rem produced some 0.5" groups using 42 gr RL-15 and the 168gr SMK while the Savage produced 0.75" groups using 43.5gr of IMR-4895 and the 168gr SMK. Both loads used 1x-fired WW brass and CCI BR2 primers.

Net, net, I trust both rifles completely...and a quarter inch when I need minute-of-Muley ain't gonna matter a hoot...and a 165gr SGK or 168gr Barnes TSX is going to do virtually the same job on Mr. Deer (or Mr. Elk or almost anything else).

Not sure this note answers anything except that, practically, the two rounds are the same.

FH
 
the 308 goes to slow and if i sound ignorant because i want performance then so be it.
 
Wanting performance is great. I like performance too, I think we all do. But if you slap a Lambo V10 in a civic you are going to run into ballence issues. Firearms are no different. Now I am not saying that the .30-378 Wby, 257 Wby, or the 300 Ultra Mag are not a good long range gun, but the disadvantages of such overbore rounds dramaticly out weigh any possable advantage you will have in the feild. I have never passed up on a shot that I would have otherwise taken with an Ultra Mag in 20+ years of hunting. Now if you just have Magnum fever and just have to have a bigger faster gun then all of your friends that is fine I won't even rag on you about that because I used to be the same way at your age, but don't tell us that our 308s or 30-30s are useless or outdated because I promise you I will show you and your WBY MAG up at the range or in the feild any day. :)
 
Kachok said:
Wanting performance is great. I like performance too, I think we all do. But if you slap a Lambo V10 in a civic you are going to run into ballence issues. Firearms are no different. Now I am not saying that the .30-378 Wby, 257 Wby, or the 300 Ultra Mag are not a good long range gun, but the disadvantages of such overbore rounds dramaticly out weigh any possable advantage you will have in the feild. I have never passed up on a shot that I would have otherwise taken with an Ultra Mag in 20+ years of hunting. Now if you just have Magnum fever and just have to have a bigger faster gun then all of your friends that is fine I won't even rag on you about that because I used to be the same way at your age, but don't tell us that our 308s or 30-30s are useless or outdated because I promise you I will show you and your WBY MAG up at the range or in the feild any day. :)
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Amen brotha!

Jake, what shooting experience do you have to show us how much better the 22-250/300 Mag is over our .223/.308?

Considering an Army sniper has made a kill shot using a .308 at 1200 meters shows it works.
 
for me the difrence is all about cost. if I am shooting paper I would opt for the .308 .223 6.5X47 .260 Remington. but if im hunting not because one is more accurate than the other but because of less windage and bullet drop to compensate for and the knock bown power. it is much cheeper to shoot comon rounds. for instance I just built a 6.5-06AI you may say why not the .264 win mag. well for me I can shoot 60 grains of powder behind the same bullet as the .264 70 grns and only be 50 to 75 fps slower. So Ichoose to get a free round every 10 rounds. see the difrence. now take my 300 wm and the .308 I shoot 83 grns of Reloader 22 behind a 150grn bullet. in the 308 50 lots of money burnt to shoot holes in paper. if you don't have money to own all these rifles prioritize based on your needs. hope that helps you.
 
snipers use special rifles scopes and barrel im talking about the average 20 22 inch barrel.
 
coug,
For many it is a similar reason, plus the various military are killers, it is a no brainer...;)

To argue it for any length of time is silly, to my way of thinking...

I recall the same arguement when 22-250 came out and all the 220 swift folks and others were saying good/bad about topic...

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/great_0930/

22-250 staked its claim and won many fans, much more popular than the 220 now similar to the 223, many prefer it over the above, for what coug mentioned...

To ask for personal experience, well most of us have a few shooters and enjoy them, go to a range and look around, ask others and you will get a lot of answers...
 
Jake1996 said:
Bull you'll beat a magnum at the range!
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I have a question for you

how big are your absolutely BEST 100 and 300yd groups fired with a magnum?

and if you can't answer this question you have no business WHATSOEVER commenting in this thread


Fellow THR'ers don't reply to anything else this guy says till he answers this question
 
im not sure i know its very accurate and what makes YOU SO KNOWLEGEABLE? id be suprised of you actually knew what you were talking about since it doesnt sound like you own ANY magnum to know your stupid 308 was better.
 
you know i dont think dale even knows anything cause he doesnt say he has any of these rifles.
 
I have a question for you

how big are your absolutely BEST 100 and 300yd groups fired with a magnum?

and if you can't answer this question you have no business WHATSOEVER commenting in this thread
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again just answer the question? Or is it that you can't because you've never shot a group in your life
 
i dont have a scope to shoot with cause im too poor. so no and sadly i wish i had the equipment like a benchrest for that. all ive used is milk jugs with water which is good cheap practice.
 
no ive never shot a group because i dont have a scope you IDIOT can you read could you shoot groups with no scope at 300 yds. wait i can answer you COULDNT.
 
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