308 saiga picture thread.

[Girodin]

One rendition of my S308. It is under the knife again and being transformed for use out to 600 yards. It will get a new stock with a cheek riser (IDK how some of the rifles pictured above can be shot with the optics so high. A repeatable cheek weld is a must for accurate shooting). I also think I'll put a GG&G bi-pod on it. I plan to put a weaver 3x10 mil/mil scope on it. I also plan to thread the barrel and add a flash hider.

 

[mshootnit]

RW thanks for the info.

Girodin
Is the Weaver scope going on the TWS rail? Do you have confidence it will hold zero?

 

[Girodin]

Yes it will go on the TWS rail. In theory it should be better than a side mount. The reports I have read are that it holds zero well. I will have to do my own testing of course.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I think that while normally I have no qualms about spending lots of $$ on a an ebr for this rifle I'm going to keep it cheap and fun for the time being.

For now my plan is to throw a Bushnell red dot atop my side rail.

After the first I'm gonna start collecting parts for a conversion. Right now probably using the choate skeleton stock or an ace skeleton stock in order to keep the cheek piece somewhat high.

Range report and pics coming shortly

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[R.W.Dale]

Finally got out to the range today with the saiga.

I zeroed and fired the thing at 100yds using a utg sidemounted tasco 3x9 scope of dubious origin that came with the rifle.

Groups range in size from garbage to acceptable. However looking through the scope at 100 it quickly became evident that the side scope mount is crap. Not just because of the mount but because the actual dovetail flexes about on the reciever. In spite of this I think the rifle has potential as evidenced by the five shot handload group.

Accuracy testing was cut short however by the rifle being so dang fun to shoot. Everybody at the range wanted to shoot it and many many clay pidgeons were blastimated on the 100yd berm.Recoil was quite soft while the muzzle blast and fireball w pmc ammo was an EVENT one guys coffee cup got blown off the bench while we were taking vids.

 

[M1key]

They all flex. Still capable of decent accuracy though. Tighten it down good.

M

 

[mshootnit]

Saiga 308 group at 220 yds with a Kobra red dot.
Horndady 150 gr SST factory load

 

[Adam123]

Saiga 7.62 converted. TWS top rail, Tapco stock set in winter duracoat, Swift 9x12 scope, Dinzag internals. Sitting along it's PSA AR brother ready for winter coyotes. .308 is next on the list.

I love this, but why did you mount your scope so high?

 

[snakeman]

Nice. It looks like those guns would do to have a TWS rail or something similar. Another mount system that has worked for me Is to get a cheap receiver cover mount and weld some brackets on it that drop down the sides of the receiver. Then drill a hole in the reciever that is in line with the holes in the brackets and tap the hole. Then use short screws, loctite and a thin nut on the inside of the receiver to secure the brackets. This locks down solid and is removable for cleaning. I have used this on a BWK 92 sporter but haven't tried it on the Saiga since I don't own one. So if you want to try this do so at your own risk.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Once I find a steel Weaver/picatinny base I'm so going to weld it to my gas tube.

I think it'll work great since on my particular rifle the gas tube goes on TIGHT so tight it has to be hammered into place same for the takedown lever

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[snakeman]

that should work too. Basically like an ultimak

 

[R.W.Dale]

that should work too. Basically like an ultimak

Exactly.

Heck the more I contemplate it there's nothing really stopping you from welding the tube to the gas block too thus eliminating all potential for movement.

You still have access to clean the gas tube via the rear sight block should you feel compelled to do so.

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[mshootnit]

snake man I have seen a pic of actual russian weapons with a similar setup to what you did

 

[snakeman]

Hmm I wondered if they ever tried that! That's too cool. I might get a saiga soon. If I do I will be trying that on it.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Here's mine featuring its home made scout mount.

I ended pilfering a couple of millett two piece sav116 bases from my local gun shops box o scope mounts. I had to be careful welding them on. The steels in question are of unknown grades and the gas tube is paper thin, I ended up having to plug a couple of minor burn throughs that luckily were on the outer sections of the tube away from the pistons travel.

I'm waiting on a tube style red dot to arrive. But using my setup dummy everything seems extremely solid.

My next step will be a full conversion using a m4 style stock

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[R.W.Dale]

camo job done

 

[Mr.510]

This is my 16" Saiga .308. It's 'restored' with a G2 trigger group and Ergo pistol grip. The stock is a tubular aluminum unit from Ace. The Ace stock, hinge, and adapter block are awesome, I've never seen anything as well designed or built.



Edit to add:
This thread got me motivated and I finally cut down and vented my hand guard yesterday. I'm not sure yet if I like the vent holes and may either turn them into three slots or add the two 'missing' holes so there's a continuous row. Seems like everybody does three slots so I wanted to try something different.



The scope is an NC Star on a quick-release side rail mount. I went with a compact scope as it's easier to pack as a loose item. It's held zero perfectly and has been on/off the rifle dozens of times. When I find a bellows-type eye cup that I like and finalize the scope's location I will cut the excess off the mounting rail and custom fit the interior of the binocular case it fits in.



The side rail mount just barely keeps the stock from fully folding. When the stock's location is 'finalized' a small amount of material can be removed from the scope mount so the stock lays flat against the receiver.

 

[CONNEX 3300]

Girodin; the rifle you posted at the top of the page is almost exactly what I am looking to do with mine. What tri rail forend is that? Did it make the rifle more front-end heavy?
Also, how did things go with the TWS holding zero?
Thanks.

 

[Girodin]

What tri rail forend is that?

It is an Ultimak (I believe it is a standard length one). It requires longer screws to put it on the 308 as the barrel is thicker. I also reshaped the mounts that wrap around the barrel to fit like they would on a x39 barrel.

Did it make the rifle more front-end heavy?

The Ultimak is heavier than the stock plastic hand guard so yes it did. I do not find it to be a dramatic difference though. If one was really concerned with weight there are measures that could be taken. A moderator on the S12 forums fluted his S308 and reported that it cut a pound.

The ultimak while heavier is much more robust and solidly mounted than many of the other hand guard options out there. You might also look at the mid west industries extended hand guard. I'm thinking about getting one to try on a different gun. I do not know if it will fit the 308 though nor can I endorse it at this point. It is less expensive and probably at least a bit lighter than the ultimak though.

Also, how did things go with the TWS holding zero?

Unfortunately between it being winter and my very busy schedule I have not had a chance to really get out and test it. One of these days I will get around to it though. I actually have some new toys I haven't even shot yet.

 

[CONNEX 3300]

Thank you! Have fun with those new toys!

 

[Mr.510]

D'oh! I screwed up organizing my photobucket and lost the pics from my post above. I'm currently leaning toward making this a full row of vent holes rather than slots: