LittleLebowski
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Not much difference between the two but the short action of the .308 is desirable. In Texas, both will take any game in the state.
If we are talking about use in hunting, the price of military surplus doesn't really matter.
Well sir, I'm not a reloader, but I have to confess that this just didn't make sense to me. Here's why: SAAMI recommended maximum pressures for the .30-06 and the .308 are 50,000 cup and 52,000 cup (or 62,000 psi) respectively. According to SAAMI, exceeding those pressures in those calibers risks blowing up any action which chambers them. Since the maxumum SAAMI spec for .308 is 2,000 cup higher than the .30-06, you are either dangerously overloading your .30-06 bolt action, OR you are seriously underestimating the strength of a .308 bolt action.Never No More said:The stuff I fire thru my bolt, would blow your .308 apart. The round I fire thru my M1 garand is a 152gr BT with 46gr of IMR-4895, try those in yer bolt gun.
A quarter of an inch isn't going to make a bit of diffrence
Ever hear the thutty-ought referred to as inherently accurate? Me neither.
...maybe a bullet DOES know what the headstamp on the case says...
Well, I managed to refrain from posting until after I actually read the article(excellent as usual, by the way).
Of course some cartridges are more accurate than others. Accuracy is all about consistency. The current popular benchrest cartridges rely on a short fat powder column that aids in even, consistent ignition. If this type of cartridge wasn't more accurate, you'd see many different designs at the BR matches. These designs should be more accurate, that's their whole reason for being. If they aren't more accurate by design, millions of dollars and hours have been wasted.
Other cartridges aren't primarily designed for accuracy. The are designed to launch a bullet at a higher speed, to fit a particular action, etc. Older cartridges were tapered to feed and extract easily, important in lever actions and older single shots.
Some cartridges like the .308 and .223 are extremely forgiving. Many loads shoot well. These are what I'd call well-balanced cartridges.
One thing I have discovered is the difference between accuracy and "hit-ability". The cartridges with smaller relative powder volumes might be more accurate, but launching that same bullet at a faster speed sure makes it easier to hit with. I've done quite a bit a shooting with a .308. It's very accurate, and I can hit my 800 yard gong with no problem. However......making shots in the field is a lot easier with a .243. I live on a ranch, and take the occasional shot at a coyote. The flatter trajectory on the .243 makes these shots easier. (Not to mention the fact that after 350 yards, the .308s just pencil through and don't anchor them.) You can lob a .25-20 into a distant target, but the .257 Weatherby will make the shot easier.
Never No More said:The round I fire thru my M1 garand is a 152gr BT with 46gr of IMR-4895, try those in yer bolt gun.
Take your 51mm case, fill it with IMR 4895, then stuff a 178gr A-MAX on it.
USSR, of course it's not about the headstamp...it's about the case dimensions and powder column geometry. I'm by no means an expert...but I have shot a little benchrest in my days, and know that the PPC rounds generally stand alone on the winners podium. How come?
Are we truly finding the .308 to be more expensive than the 30.06?
The Annoyed Man said:Well sir, I'm not a reloader, but I have to confess that this just didn't make sense to me. Here's why: SAAMI recommended maximum pressures for the .30-06 and the .308 are 50,000 cup and 52,000 cup (or 62,000 psi) respectively. According to SAAMI, exceeding those pressures in those calibers risks blowing up any action which chambers them. Since the maxumum SAAMI spec for .308 is 2,000 cup higher than the .30-06, you are either dangerously overloading your .30-06 bolt action, OR you are seriously underestimating the strength of a .308 bolt action.