.32acp vs. .380acp

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Just looking for some opinions. Though I have previously owned guns that have shot both calibers in the past, I am again looking to a smaller frame pistol to carry in my pocket on little quick errands around town and around the "property." I know people make fun of .32, but I have always thought it to be quite sufficient and, as such I am leaning towards a Beretta. I didn't want to spend more than $400.00 and refuseto buy junk! Opinions please, and thank all of you for your consideration.
 
I'd probably go for a Kel-Tec. I've read numerous reports of some of the Beretta Tomcats cracking frames after very few rounds.
 
I own the PF-9 and P3AT Kel Techs and have owned the P-32.

I have a very high opinion of all 3 firearms and have found them remarkably accurate and reliable having shot hundreds of rounds through them.

I sold both my and my wife's P-32s and bought the .380s in their place for when a larger handgun wasn't practical to carry in every situation. I pocket carry the P3AT in any pants/shorts (and I don't wear baggy cargo shorts). I carry the PF-9 in all but my light weight shorts.

In the price range it is difficult to find anything better.
 
What Beretta are you thinking about? I have a Beretta 84, but don't carry it since I have 9mm's that are smaller.

If I had to choose between 32 and 380. I would go with 380 every time. The guns are the same size, but 380 is twice as powerful.
 
Saw this article posted over on the CMP Forum. Interesting results that bullet or cartridge really does not matter on the success of a shooting.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

So, like real estate, looks like it is location, location, location.

Anyway, I carry a 380 ACP with me for self defense. My Kel-Tec P3-AT has been very reliable but the DAO trigger is limiting for me. I like my Wather PPK for the double action on the first shot then single action there after. I feel more comfortable with that mode of carry although the first shot is a "gimme". But the PPK is bordering on the large side.

I have an early Sig P238 which is reasonable reliable now. The SAO trigger is a limiter for me for carry. Carrying cocked and locked would not be an issue when anarchy takes over but it is not for me under current conditions.

I have a Colt 1903 (32 ACP) which is fun to shoot and accurate. I am considering getting a modern pistol in 32 ACP to play with. The Colt, although not in great condition, is too valuable to consider a carry gun.

One of my requirements is to be able to discreetly carry the gun away should I have to leave my vehicle in an unsecured situation.

These are my idiosyncrasies and I do not expect many to agree with me.
 
For similar to the OP's requirements, I personally chose a *very* lightly pre-owned Seecamp .32, LNIB. My idea of the ultimate pocket pistol. Any bigger, and I'd rather just go IWB with something punchier. They're out there for $400 inclusive, and they are most certainly not junk.

JMO.
 
If you want to stay at or below $400 buy the Taurus TCP which is similar to the LCP and the P3AT, but with a better trigger and less felt recoil.
 
This was my first impression of the Kel-Tec P32, and it also explains my reason for choosing it over the P3-AT.. my range report from June of last year:

Due to the somewhat increasing frequency of occasions in which belt carrying of my PF-9 is not practical, I've decided to get a pocket-carry-capable piece. After much thought, I settled on the KT-P32. Though I considered the P-3AT, I went with this one for the following reason: less snappy (the recoil of my early Grendel P-10, a PPK/S I once owned, and of my PF-9 push my abilities for quick re-acquisition for follow-up shots), the presence of a slide-lock, and the addition of one round in capacity. Also, in a pinch, my wife, a rather petite lady, could be armed with it.
Today, I headed to an all-day-pay outdoor range with this gun, my other two carry guns (PF-9 and Bersa Thunder 380), and ammunition. For the P-32, I had only 100 rounds of WWB 71-grain FMJ-FN ammo (the last two WM had in stock.) These flat-tipped rounds have a shorter overall-length than typical FMJ round-nose ones do.
I arrived to find the range closed for a special event, and went instead to an hourly-pay indoor range. Because of the time constraints there, I was now not going to shoot the other guns I also had brought along (two revolvers, and two .22LR autos.)
Once posted on the line, I loaded up the new KT, and ran a casual-fire session on a silhouette target at a range of 21 feet (7 yards.)
I found the P-32 to be not entirely without snappish-ness, but it is easily handled. I might have had more issue with it at the outdoor range, as temperatures were well north of ninety degrees, and my hands would have been quite sweaty. I could feel the grip on this little scale-tickler wanting to work upward in my hand from time to time.
About half my shooting was done with one hand. I actually found that to be fairly easy to keep on target, something that I previously had a harder time with on my PF-9. All my rounds were easy to keep in an area suitable for defensive use during offhand fire, about the size of my closed fist if I tried, and the size of my open hand if I didn't.
I had one case of rimlock. This occurred at probably the 24th round or so (into the fourth magazine.) I've never experienced this before so, of course, the TRB drill didn't work. I removed the magazine, and still could not push the round forward. After manipulating the round downward some, and giving the magazine some firm slaps in my hand, the round was able to be freed. I shot out the rest of the mag, reloaded that round into it, chambered it, and fired it without further issue. The remainder of the session was finished without any other malfunctions.
I fired a total of 92 rounds, keeping eight left left over for carry use until I can stop back in somewhere and get a more suitable round. I was amazed at how fast I went through them. After searching here for "rimlock", I will likely go with a hot FMJ load such as the Fiocchi, or maybe a S&B one.
I found the gun to be quite a little delight to shoot, kind of reminding me of my old Jennings J-22 in handling, though I haven't shot that thing in maybe two decades. I had no trouble fully re-setting the trigger (never did on my PF-9, either), even in rapid-fire. I can see this piece being a viable carry option as a pocket-holster gun, and I do already have a PH for it. As with many new Kel-Tec pieces, it has some little burrs and other marks of "unfinishedness" about it, but nothing that hampered function or carry. My PF-9 is much more "finished", but I'm not the original owner of that, so someone may have done a F&B on it before.
So, that's that. The PF-9 will remain my first carry gun. It has done so since I proofed it more than a year ago when I got it, being on me pretty much any time I am out of bed. But, I am pleased that the P-32 will make an exceptional second option for "shirt-tucked-in" occasions, and maybe even as a BUG or "NY-reload" when the PF-9 is carried, such as during my once-per-week pizza delivery job.
I will source another magazine for it, though, as that is the fastest way to alleviate a rimlock situation (something I plan to insure doesn't happen again.)

Now, I've shot this thing many times since then, and carry it with two of those WWB flat-tipped FMJ rounds (chamber, and "next-up"), followed by six Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ. Keeping the shorter rounds in only the chamber and the top of the magazine assure no more cases of rimlock. I've had no further issues, and still find this little thing quite a bit of fun to shoot.
 
The Seecamp is a fine piece of workmanship, but it is a blowback action which produces a great deal of felt recoil and not much fun to shoot.

Most of the current pocket pistols now are locked breach action that really reduces felt recoil a lot which makes them much more pleasant to shoot when compared to a locked breach action like the Seecamp, NAA Guardian and the Micro Desert Eagle.
 
If I had to choose between a 32 and 380 I'd probably get a LCP. I got rid of my LCP and later a Seecamp after buying my Kahr PM9. I found I just don't have any pants that the 9mm won't fit in.
 
Saw this article posted over on the CMP Forum. Interesting results that bullet or cartridge really does not matter on the success of a shooting.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

So, like real estate, looks like it is location, location, location

It is interesting to note in that article the category "% of people who were not incapacitated". Going by that makes the .380 ACP look much better than the .32.

Yet, I have two guns in .32 ACP. :scrutiny:
 
My NAA Guardian .32 ACP does feel much like a Ruger LCP .380 ACP in felt recoil when the two are fired side by side.
I had an NAA guardian and replaced it with a P32 because the felt recoil was so much more noticeable in the NAA and also because the NAA really tore my trigger finger up when firing multiple magazines at the range.

I also have a Micro Desert Eagle that is a blowback and it is a very punishing pistol to shoot extensively, but I won't sell it because it is utterly reliable with any brand of ammo.

After going through a bunch of pocket pistols I have ended up with a Sig P238 that IMO is the king of all 380 pocket pistols and I also frequently carry a TCP that IMO is second only to the P238 in pocket pistol shoot ability and has also been completely reliable.

I did recently finally have the opportunity to shoot a Seecamp 380 and am impressed with it's overall quality, but like other pocket blowbacks it is a punishing pistol to shoot.
 
I have one of the very early Keltec P32s, back before they started making any other calibers. I don't have much faith in the .32 acp round but it's the only gun I have that fits into a pocket. "They" say that in most cases where a handgun is used for self defense, no shots are fired. If that's true, then most of the time, caliber doesn't matter although a big, bright shinny .45 would probably be more intimidating than the barely visible P32 ;-)

I probably should carry the P32 more often.
 
Nothing wrong with either, but if you go to buy an LCP, make sure you can tolerate the trigger. IMO, it's the worst trigger on any of them.

My wife has a Taurus TCP732 that she loves and I like. I'm pondering getting a 738 for myself (or maybe a 732, just for common ammo). The trigger is smooth, not too heavy, and the gun is accurate. Made in USA helps.
 
.380 ammo is much easier to find and has better ballistics. Only a few types of .32 handguns like the Seacamp are smaller than a comparable .380 handgun. Most modern .380s like the 238s, LCPs, handle recoil much better than older models like AMT.

The P3AT is one of the worst pistols I have ever used and I have handled HiPoints with less issue. A friend of mine recently had hers explode using standard pressure ammo giving her third degree burns on her hand and the firing pin lodged in her shoulder. Few months ago I sold mine.

Out of all the modern .380s I think the P238 is the best on the market since the trigger isn't long and heavy like the LCP, Bodyguard or other DA .380s.
 
If I had to choose between 32 and 380. I would go with 380 every time. The guns are the same size, but 380 is twice as powerful.


Really? Ballistics 101 lists the various rounds available. The .32 ACP, in JHP form, runs from 147 ft/lbs to 220 ft/lbs in ammo available today. The .380 ACP runs from less than 200 ft/lbs up to 288 ft/lbs in +P form. Many of these ultra high performers aren't readily available, and quite pricey. Your gun may not shoot them accurately, either.

So, twice the power? Not hardly.

For whatever reason, the .32 ACP seems to be more accurate than comparable .380 ACP guns and rounds. It also tends to carry that extra round, as well.

Pick a gun that you like first. Then, after you are sure that it's what you want, pick a caliber. Shot placement is still king, no matter the caliber.:)
 
My .32's are KelTec and NAA, .380's are S&W, Browning and Bersa. I prefer the KT for a pocket gun, the trigger is much better than the NAA and S&W Bodyguard, and to be honest the .32 is easier to shoot in a mouse size package.
 
Really? Ballistics 101 lists the various rounds available. The .32 ACP, in JHP form, runs from 147 ft/lbs to 220 ft/lbs in ammo available today. The .380 ACP runs from less than 200 ft/lbs up to 288 ft/lbs in +P form. Many of these ultra high performers aren't readily available, and quite pricey. Your gun may not shoot them accurately, either.

So, twice the power? Not hardly.

If you pick and choose what ammo you are comparing you can come up with whatever numbers you want. However comparing the two highest rated self defense rounds:

Federal Hydra-Shok 32ACP 123 ft-lbs, 380ACP 200 ft-lbs
Speer Gold Dot 32ACP 123 ft-lbs, 380ACP 216 ft-lbs

That puts the 32ACP at between 62% and 57% of the 380ACP. Close enough to half for me.
 
If you pick and choose what ammo you are comparing you can come up with whatever numbers you want. However comparing the two highest rated self defense rounds:

Federal Hydra-Shok 32ACP 123 ft-lbs, 380ACP 200 ft-lbs
Speer Gold Dot 32ACP 123 ft-lbs, 380ACP 216 ft-lbs

"Highly rated" by whom? The selling industry and their magazine flacks?

If one is going to use a .32 or .380, I would not use hollow points. If they expand, they do not have nearly enough penetration. Expansion takes energy and also impedes penetration.

Look at the FBI Quantico Report on Wounding Ballistics (google it). It recommends a minimum of 12-14" penetration. Now look at Winchester's site on Ranger ammo penetration
http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/flash-SWFs/law_bullit.swf
If a .380 expands, penetration is less than 8 inches. If it does not expand, they show 15" penetration. Why spend the money for premium ammo if expansion means inadequate penetration?

My .32 and .380 are loaded with FMJ. YMMV

Ken
 
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