Vern Humphrey
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Try chambering a .357 round in your J frame and see if it fits. If your revolver has a .357 length chamber, it's a .357.
38+p vs 357mag
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Armored farmer
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your gun is what it is.....
don't try to make it something it's not at the reloading bench.
don't try to make it something it's not at the reloading bench.
CraigC
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As defined by whom, exactly?
Armored farmer
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as defined by manufacturer
I'm just saying your safest bet to get full blown .357 mag performance... is to get a .357 mag gun to shoot them in.
I lost a perfectly good towel by wrapping it around a guy's bloody hand at the trap range after his 870 peeled like a banana. His uncle was trying to give him some sort of advantage by loading him some "hot" shells for competition. We heard later that he used pistol powder. We found the block on the next range over...lucky no one else got hurt.
I shoot competition trap, it makes me cringe when someone standing next to me is shooting dynamite.
I'm just saying your safest bet to get full blown .357 mag performance... is to get a .357 mag gun to shoot them in.
I lost a perfectly good towel by wrapping it around a guy's bloody hand at the trap range after his 870 peeled like a banana. His uncle was trying to give him some sort of advantage by loading him some "hot" shells for competition. We heard later that he used pistol powder. We found the block on the next range over...lucky no one else got hurt.
I shoot competition trap, it makes me cringe when someone standing next to me is shooting dynamite.
zxcvbob
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Doesn't "peeled like a banana" usually mean a barrel obstruction? Pistol powders overlap completely with shotgun powders, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything -- except that maybe Uncle was loading without any load data. (I don't load shotgun shells, but I hear they are *really* particular and don't like you substituting any components.)
Peter M. Eick
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My attitude is simple on this topic.
Don't try to turn this:
Into this:
But I will add that if you look at modern loads, it appears to "ME" that every 38 round has dropped one level in performance. Pull out Phil Sharpe's 1937 Complete Reloading and look at the loads and the velocities. Everything is dropped about one level of performance.
A modern 357 maximum = an older (1937) 357 Magnum
A modern 357 Magnum = an older 38/44 HS
A modern 38 special +P = an older 38 special
A modern 38 special = an older 38 S&W
Everything is wimped back one level of performance. Just an observation based upon my reading of many old load books and modern manuals.
Don't try to turn this:
Into this:
But I will add that if you look at modern loads, it appears to "ME" that every 38 round has dropped one level in performance. Pull out Phil Sharpe's 1937 Complete Reloading and look at the loads and the velocities. Everything is dropped about one level of performance.
A modern 357 maximum = an older (1937) 357 Magnum
A modern 357 Magnum = an older 38/44 HS
A modern 38 special +P = an older 38 special
A modern 38 special = an older 38 S&W
Everything is wimped back one level of performance. Just an observation based upon my reading of many old load books and modern manuals.
zxcvbob
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¿Where did you find brass stamped "38-44 SPL" ?
Armored farmer
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in this case it was from chamber forward including shattered forearm.
Pistol powders overlap completely with shotgun powders"
hmmm.. not so sure about that. I don't want a mec #33 bushing full of win 296 under 1 1/8 oz
the "uncle" was obviously not following standard load data...which brings us back to the topic at hand. Best to stick to published load data. IMHO
Peter M. Eick
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From one of my many boxes of original 38/44 High Speed ammo.
I have been collecting it over the years. I have a bunch of the stuff to go with my 38/44's.
I have been collecting it over the years. I have a bunch of the stuff to go with my 38/44's.
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