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any one use or have a charter arms snubbie in 38
been thinking of another carry pice and a snubbie in 38,357 or 9mm would fit the bill. or some other recomendations.
 
Yes, I have an older Charter arms undercover..

made in the 1970s in Stratford, Conn. It is all steel and nicely blued weighing in at 16 ounces. It is smaller in size than the newer ones and is a five shot. It is smaller than the S&W J-frames and I like it a lot. I have fired thousands of my reloads throigh it over the years without any problems at all. The newer guns are well made in my opinion and are good guns for the money. I also have one of the older 44 bulldogs as well. I also have several S&W and Colt snubbies as well but the Charter arms guns function just as good as they do.
 
I have a Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Spl, the design is an upscaled version of the 38 Spl, and I have handled many Charter Arms Undercover revolvers in 38 Spl.

The Charter Arms Undercover is a low cost but functional snubbie. The sights are good on the ones I handled.

Charter Arms has been bought, sold, out of business, so the production quality has been spotty in the transitions. So look the piece over carefully, make sure it times correctly, everything locks up the way it should. If it checks out , it should be good to go.

I really like my Taurus M85 lightweight, and it is cost effective

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I think the M642 S&W is the best in its class, but it costs more.

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There have been improvements by Charter Arms on their guns.
They are serviceable firearms and the snubs seem to work well.

The only problem I've seen as of late that the gun writers and shooters found, was on one model and 1 example only, was the fact the ejector rod came loose. Locktite took care of the problem.

I do like the Taurus snubs and own two. An old 85CH DAO only and one in .327 Federal magnum. These are giving good service and have had no troubles.

I also own a Rossi 462 six shooter which gets mostly .38 Special loads run through it.
I do not use full blown barn burner .357 magnum ammo of the 125gr. guise.

Lite .357 magnum rounds in 125gr. made by Federal and Remington are just fine. Speer's short barreled 135gr. .357 magnum rounds are also good.

Add to that the various 110 gr. JHPs in .357 magnum as well.

Since the 158 gr. LSWCHP +P and the Speer 135 gr. Gold Dot are the yardsticks by which . 38 Special and defense ammo are measured why not go with those. I do.

The first use of the 158gr. LSWCHP +P round saw a 300lb. miscreant being shot with it. He dropped instantly like a sack of rocks. This is a docmented case.

With those two loadings in .38 Special and various other cutting edge .38 Special rounds there seems little reason to use .357 magnum rounds out of the short barrels. Yes, there is a good case for them.

If one needs quicker critical shot to shot recovery times, is sensitive to recoil and horrendous muzzle blast then the .38 Special is the way to go.

Remember, if you let loose inside a dwelling or building of any kind the muzzle blast will be magnified and there will be little to absorb the noise.

Add to that the bright flash that can disorient people in dark or low light conditions.

Yes, there are .357 magnum rounds with flash suppressants in them. Those do a commendable job to a point.

Just depends on the gun operator and there ability to deal with all this. if you can handle it ,fine. If not there are other alternatives to go to.

What has to be remembered is that most .357 magnum snubbies were not designed for a vast steady diet of full blown barn burner 125gr. projectiles.

That fact is brought home by the fact that the K frame S&W wasn't designed or able in most cases to take a steady diet of the same loads without eventually having timing problems and getting battered to the point the gun will go out of service. This is documented well down through history. Not that there are not some exceptions to that. HoweverS&W went to the beefed up L frame to take care of that problem.

Now we get to subbies that are not L frame or similar. Why would they be able to take the pounding that the K frames cannot and be on a J frame or similar platform? There is that to consider.

There are the Rossi 461/462 series in .357 magnum and the 351/352 5 shot and in .38 Special.

Here's a cross section on the Charter, Taurus, and Rossi guns.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=29625.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=31689.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=20884.0

The first link is mainly about the Charter Arms snubs.
The second link is a compilation of Taurus snub links and from the actual users and owners.

The third link is about the Rossis, but not as in depth.

Try them out and handle as many types as possible. I am always surprised by the number of people who buy something, but seem to seldom actually inspect the gun thoroughly and try it out before buying.

If one hasn't had any real experience with the various models then they will have nothing of substance to add to the dialogue. There might be minor exceptions to that.

S&W does make very good revolvers as well. The extensive list of them can fill the bill as well.
 
Thanks weregunner,

I have found your posts on the various brands of snubbies very usefull, and have pretty much came to the same overall idea of the quality of them. I will be looking for a Rossi 462 very soon, as I cant wait to get a six shot on a near j frame for CC!!

The wife and I have Taurus 605 snub, and a 905 snub, and after the quality that I have seen on those I am very interested in the 462.

To the OP,
Good luck with whatever you choose, I am sure that most will serve you well!
 
The only problem I've seen as of late that the gun writers and shooters found, was on one model and 1 example only, was the fact the ejector rod came loose. Locktite took care of the problem.
That's an EXTREMELY common problem with expensive S&W revolvers.

The first night I shot our club's D/A revolver league, a good 1/3 of the shooters (myself included) in the first relay had ejector rods unwind on everything from S&W 25-2s to S&W 14s.
 
Go with Colt...you'll be glad you did.
I'd agree... if they still made modern revolvers.

I don't know what you'd do if you had a problem with a Colt these days.

Of course S&W has had a better D/A pull for as long as anyone remembers. Still, S&W wouldn't be pulling have the stuff they have if they had real competition.
 
Of course S&W has had a better D/A pull for as long as anyone remembers.



Better by who's standards? Particularly in the small platforms... J S&W vs. D frame Colt, many will argue.. myself included that the trigger pull is far smoother on the Colt vs. the coil spring S&W. They have very different feels.
 
I do not have any experience with Charter Arms, but I am open minded, and this thread has piqued my interest, I will have to check them out.

I do like snubbies however, own two, and just got through looking at a bunch of them before making a decision. Honestly, it did not matter to me which model I liked best, but imo, the Ruger LCR had a better trigger pull than all the rest, and it probably wasn't close.
 
I have a very early Undercover made in Bridgeport and it is a great snubbie. You can tell it has been carried a lot.
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When Charter Arms went under back in the 90's, they were still making good guns. Charter 2000 came along and quality was pretty bad. This was where Charter Arms got a lot of bad publicity. Charter 2000 is gone and a couple of years ago, Charter Arms came back and the new models seem to be pretty good.
 
One item on the Taurus snubs. There is a new model out called the model 856.

What it is is a small framed gun like their model 85, 5 shot model, but it holds 6 rounds. That's in a cylinder that is the same dimensions as the model 85.

The magnesium model IS NOT +P rated. The other two models of the 856 are.
Model: 856B2 Finish: Blue Status: Available
Caliber: .38 SPL +P RATED Grips: Rubber UPC: 7-25327-60559-1
Capacity: 6 Weight: 22.2 oz Barrel Length: 2"
Frame: Compact Action: DA/SA Front Sight: Fixed
Length: 6-1/2" Trigger Type: Smooth Order #: 2-856021
MSRP: $441
 
The quality of Charter Arms handguns has been up and down for a long time. Now that the Ecker family is back in charge the quality is better than ever. Everything coming out of their factory is now rate again. They even have a 6 shot J frame size .38 snub nose in their lineup. It's their Police Undercover which weighs only 20 oz. and has a 2.2" barrel.
 
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The only problem I've seen as of late that the gun writers and shooters found, was on one model and 1 example only, was the fact the ejector rod came loose. Locktite took care of the problem.
That's an EXTREMELY common problem with expensive S&W revolvers.

The first night I shot our club's D/A revolver league, a good 1/3 of the shooters (myself included) in the first relay had ejector rods unwind on everything from S&W 25-2s to S&W 14s.

Only with inexperienced owners that do not tighten the ejector rod correctly. If you own a S&W you should build or buy a ejector rod tool. Most people do not have the hand strength to tighten it properly with just their fingers.
 
Carried a late-60's/early 70's produced Charter Undercover as tertiary back-up when doing plain-clothes work in FRG. Very small, very solid, very smooth. Liked it a lot. Couldn't bring it back into the US, though, due to the rules and its smaller than approved size, so, had to sell it to my replacement. I still miss that little gun.
 
My very first handgun was a Charter Arms Model 73820 (Undercover .38 special) bought in July 2009. The cylinder has a bit too much play in it, but pretty much shoots POA.

(My 2nd & 3rd were S&W 10-5s) and the quality is apparent in the Smiths.
 

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Mine dates from 1987. I bought it the day I was hired as a LEO, and it rode backup and off-duty for a few years, until I got out of that profession. It has served duty since then, though, and it is on me now. It is of a version I've never otherwise seen, with checkered wood stocks, and a shrouded barrel. I've not seen another one of that vintage with those traits.
It shoots about as well as a 38 snubbie should, and I've had one misfire in at least 250-300 rounds. That one round lit off properly the second time the hammer was dropped on it.
My dad lives 2000 miles west of me and I discovered during a visit a few years ago that he has one older than mine. Though I didn't get to shoot it, it felt pretty good. He was also LE at one time..
 
I have had one about 8 years. The first time I fired it the ejector rod came loose. The dealer returned it and now it works good. I notice empties do not fall out well, sticking somewhat. But it is accurate and is the smoothest DA I have fired, setting up the next round as if it were firing SA. And I have S&W, Taurus, and Ruger.
 
I have a new CA ,one of there ultra lites at 13oz and it has been a very good carry gun. I still have a taurus ss model 85 that i carried for 20+ years and it has a better trigger but is also a heavy wieght at 21 oz and that smooth trigger comes with many rounds shot through it. The CA does have a nice stack in the trigger that gives you a point to double check all be fireing . Just don't buy the 2 finger grips ,damd thing turns vicious with out that grip with a third finger. Sure do like it for a carry gun and rotate it and a pf-9. I have had the ejector rod problem with many guns but not the CA yet, better watch for it i guess.
 
I have a very nice old M68 Rossi 3" and a workhorse Taurus 85SSUL I'm quite happy with. They don't share the Smith's price or side mounted internal lock. Both are reliable and accurate and the little M85 has the best DA trigger I've ever felt out of the box on a J frame size revolver.
 
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