.38 Snubby Service Weapon???

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Is it possible the officer was plainclothes? That might explain why he was carrying a small(er) weapon. In my town, most LEO's carry Glock 17's. However, many female officers and detectives carry Glock 19's- which are more compact.
 
Last I knew LAPD issued surplus M16A1s to supervisors, not exactly the same as giving them to each officer. Just FYI. It is not always a money thing but rather a political thing in most cases. I have been throught the whole mess once. The administration said no way even though the officers offered to buy their own rifles. My last department got rifles from the same program that LAPD got their rifles from. I had a nice M16A1 myself.
 
You know, in the Strategies & Tactics Forum, it's become SOP to establish your credentials before expressing "expert"s opinion. This thread has gotten me wondering if that wouldn't be a good idea all around. Babbling on like you are a small arms expert when you have ZERO real world experience just doesn't impress anyone.
 
M-16a1...

M-16a1???...

Bleeech!
:barf:

I was issued a M-16a1 5.56mm/.223 for most of my US Army service. I couldn't stand it.

BTW:

I wanted to add that many public service/govt contracts in Florida require .38spl DA revolvers ONLY.

I'd say the 9mmNATO makes more sense but that is what many admin types want for G/armed security contracts :banghead: .

Rusty
 
Really just about the forum in general. No need to point fingers at anyone. The number of keyboard commandos seems to be increasing daily, and I think a true poll of poster's experience would be enlightening.

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Really just about the forum in general. No need to point fingers at anyone. The number of keyboard commandos seems to be increasing daily, and I think a true poll of poster's experience would be enlightening.
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Agreed. I have no real world experience as I have never shot anyone with a
3'' .38 revolver.
BTW welcome back VHinch, haven't seen you around in a couple weeks.
 
Really just about the forum in general. No need to point fingers at anyone. The number of keyboard commandos seems to be increasing daily, and I think a true poll of poster's experience would be enlightening.
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Agreed. Altho it's easy to tell a lot of those keyboard commandos by their postings. Any LEO who has been around a while and involved in situations can tell when one of these keyboard commandos start expressing opinions when they obviously haven't done anything but get their "knowledge" from grocery store gun rags.

I have no real world experience as I have never shot anyone with a 3'' .38 revolver.
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I haven't either, but I've seen and investigated a number where others have. Can't recall a specific 3" but I can have 2" and 4" and at least one 6".
 
I really hope that I am not considered one of the "keyboard commandos." If it came that way, I apologize. I am a retired police officer who served as a firearms instructor for handguns, shotguns, and rifles. I do not consider myself an expert, but I do a lot of research. I found that the only way to get the administration's attention was by presenting evidence of what others were doing and such. I think I have been upfront about what I am and what I am not.

Anyway, what I meant by political reasons for not letting officers carry rifles was stuff like public perception for example. I had a chief who was convinced that it would lead to complaints of the police department becoming too much like the military. Also, he was concerned about liability. We could have gotten the rifles for free or very cheap, but that was not the point according to the chief. As far as I know, that department still does not have partol rifles but many around here do.
 
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Anyway, what I meant by political reasons for not letting officers carry rifles was stuff like public perception for example. I had a chief who was convinced that it would lead to complaints of the police department becoming too much like the military. Also, he was concerned about liability. We could have gottne the rifles for free or very cheap, but that was not the point according to the chief. As far as I know, that department still does not have partol rifles but many around here do.
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I know exactly what you mean. Our former Deputy Director of Ops refused to even entertain the idea of rifles in the squads. Being former infantry in VN, whenever someone would bring up rifles he would reply that he saw what damage rifles would do and he didn't think they were appropriate for LE work. His mind was made up and no amount of discussion and facts could sway him, even getting the free ones. However, he didn't have a problem with us all carrying 870s with slugs. :banghead: Eventually he retired and the new DD got ARs issued to all sworn.
Political considerations are a very real part of LE. Some of those are valid concerns, sometimes they're just used by nervous chiefs who don't want to take any heat. Making those kinds of decisions is a balancing act. A chief has to decide which is best to get the job done and still maintain public support. It's not an easy job. The only ones who think it's easy are those who've never sat in the chair and had to make the decisions.
 
Interesting. My chief was in the Marine Corps and was also in Vietnam. That was also one of his big reasons for not being too keen on the whole rifle idea. He did not like the AR-15 type rifles because he has been there when they were put into service and had not been impressed. He did not like the M1 Carbines because the VC had used them and the sound alone made him unhappy. He did love the M-14 though, surely another Marine Corps related memory. He is a great guy and I can certainly understand some of his "hang-ups" with regard to his war time experience. The story goes that he almost did not make it back.

The last part you mentioned about the chiefs' jobs, I also agree with. It is easy to sit in the cruiser or in the squad room thinking about how things should be done but sitting upstairs in the big office is not as easy as one might think. I have a lot of respect for the guys who decided to take that career path. I figured out very quickly that it would be high unlikely that I would ever want that job.
 
First, The article that was brought up was an article that is a Field report on Crimson Trace Lasergrips. It goes on to list the 8 documented cases that CTC can legally discuss that are documented uses of CTC Laser grips in Law-enforcement. There have been 18 total cases and 12 have complete data showing a total of 34 shots fired and 32 hits on target. I can see a plain clothed Lawman carrying a 3 " Taurus and with a set of CTC Lasergrips making the shot that was discussed in the opening of the thread. I personally would prefer to carry my 3" S&W 13 and do not because my 642 is so much lighter, if I had a set of laser grips it would go on my 642.

Many Law Enforcement Officers carry a snubby for their BUG.

Never underestimate a 38 spec.
 
It is easy to sit in the cruiser or in the squad room thinking about how things should be done but sitting upstairs in the big office is not as easy as one might think.
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When I was wearing the silver star I had all the answers and was sure the boss was full of pudding. Then as I moved up the ranks and eventually sat in his chair it became clear that things are different and I found out the reasons some decisions had to be made. Not that I always liked it nor agreed with things but sometimes the boss has to make decisions for the good of all concerned, including not only his employees but the public. Things were a lot more complicated than they were from my limited view when I was just riding the road, things I wasn't even aware of that had to be considered.
I still think the old boss was full of pudding but now my beliefs have nothing to do with him being the boss, he was just full of it.:D
 
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