.38 Special in the shadows...

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With all the past few years sales programs shoving the little .380 autos down our throats and before that all the sales promotions of the "Wonder Nines" it would appear that the .38 Special is a forgotten thing but NOYT SO!
Qiuetlly, S&W Tarus and other manufacturers have been building both time proven guns and some innivative new platforms for the .38 SPECIAL securing it as one of Americas Premium Fighting Cartriges!
New light bullet, soft nose clothes penetrating ammo has been developed by a few manufacturers like the fine Horniday rounds! Though the actual ft/lbs of the .38 haven't changed much the bullets have and so have some of the new revolvers dexigned around the .38!
Just a couple years back, I got "MY" .38 carrygun, a No-Dash Model 36 in Nickle finish. A former owner bobbed the hammer so it's a D/A only proposition but aren't they supposed to be shot D/A? and when I saw it in the cabinet at the Gun Shop it just screamed at me Take Me Home! And I did. Boy that was the longest 10 days of my life waiting to hold it and shoot it! I'd fallen in love with the breed decades ago but somehow always pissed the money away on other things and never bought one. Well now i am too old and way too crippled to fistfight and I thought it was time to get soe "real" protetion for the wife and I and I could not settle on anything but a 2" Chief as being the most perfect thing!
It carries like it wasn't even there, holds 5 of those great Horniday's and goes bang EVERY time! A speedstrip of reloads to go with it and you are almost as safe as when you were a child in Dad's arms!
I don't know why the .38 Special dosen't get more press? Maybe it and the guns that chamber it don't have enoughroom fpr f;ash;oghts, aimpoints and laser sights? But the Cartrige and the guns that shoot it were never meant to be acessorised like that, they were meant to be fighting guns, guns built for one special purpose and they do it well!
No the .38 won't stop a running engine but it will put an end to a bad guys day and it won't put em down at 100 yards but the real danger is usually under 10 ft, and in spite of weather, climate or conditions, as many law eenforcement officers have noted, it goes bang every time it's needed!
I guess it's OK that the plain Jane .38 sits in the shadows of other sometimes lesser calibers I know where mine sits and that's right at my side, ready if it's needed.
BPDave
 
38 Special is used in Single Action Shooting for Cowboy Matches, hardly forgotten.
 
Probably the numbers game

I think these days people like to look at the numbers and the 38spl balistics is overshadowed by other rounds. Also people in general tend to think bigger is better. I am guilty myself.

Personally I think you have to look at the total package and go with what you feel comfortable with and can shoot well.

I only have one but I will never get rid of it.
 
38 Special works better then ever. Carry one in my boot, and I also carry one strong side. snub in the boot, and a 3 incher on the hip. It is plenty of gun to defend oneself. You do your job, and the gun will do the rest.
To many people watch / listen to Hollywood. A quality 38 with good defense ammo will get the job done.
 
How funny, I was just about to start a thread on the .38 Special (still forth coming) until I stopped and read this first. ZVP I agree with you the .38 SPL is a great cartridge and it just keeps plugging along. Unfortunaely the only thing that is keeping the cartridge alive is the diminutive little J frame style revovlers. I say that because the cartridge has so much more to offer when loaded into a great revolver such as a 4" S&W K frame revolver. Anymore it seems that if folks are shooting the .38 Special it is out of a .357 revolver or a J frame. But as long as the small revovers are keeping the .38 Special popular I'm happy as that means the ammo will continue to be updated as it deserves to be.

Your right that a lot of new folks rely on paper ballistics to much when looking at the .38 Special. However the paper ballistics don't tell the whole story. The .38 Special is really much closer to the 9mm in performance than most folks think and in some ways better. I say this because where the 9mm really shines is with 115gr-124gr bullets. IMHO the .38 Special does it's best with 158gr bullets when used in 4" barrels, and if one is a hand loader and willing to do a little research can find data for 200gr loads:cool:

The ammo companies are coming out with some nice updated ammunition for the cartridge as well. However anymore it seems as though they are reverting back to the light and fast mentality. This isn't necessarily bad as the .38 SPL needs all of the velocity it can get when fired out of the small J frame sized guns which are so popular, it also keeps the recoil down in these phantom weight demons as well. I've noticed because of this that some folks seem to think that the 158gr bullets are a heavy for caliber bullet for this cartridge, and that just isn't so. All fixed sight revolvers have the sights regulated at the factory for the 158gr bullet, which is the nominal bullet weight for the cartridge.

I actually prefer the Remington 158gr SWCHP (+P) load for social purposes as it hits close to the sights and has an outstanding street record. The other great thing about the .38 Special is all of the different ammo that was developed for it over the years, some of it has created somewhat of a urban legend or mystique about it such as the various +P+ loadings (which will be the topic of my thread).
 
Jusgt after I wrote the post I went over to the Gun Club for a little airgun indoor shooting but first got in a discussion with the rangemaster about snubbies and 4" Model 10's. He told me that he had 3 Model 10's and wanted to sell one for a very reasonable price so I grabbed it!
Darn now I have to go through the waiting period before i get to shoot it! (Gotta remain Legal!) As much as I hate the wait Iknow I have one of the Worlds best fighting handguns waiting for me!
what a team, my Nickled Model 36 and my new (used) Model 10 H/B!
I do believe in the .38 Special as a fightstopper and a good anti-personnel deterrant!
The new loads ought to make exciting learning experience and I am going to take up handloading tthe 38 Special!
BPDave
 
Don't forget the first Ruger LCR in .38 Special +P. Also, the S&W 442 and 642 Airweights are extremely popular, it is my wifes favorite gun to shoot for practice and for carrying. My 442 is my favorite carry gun as well.

Dan
 
Jusgt after I wrote the post I went over to the Gun Club for a little airgun indoor shooting but first got in a discussion with the rangemaster about snubbies and 4" Model 10's. He told me that he had 3 Model 10's and wanted to sell one for a very reasonable price so I grabbed it!

Congrats!

I've always found that reading, posting and talking about S&W Model 10s leads to buying Model 10s. :D
 
Not gonna talk bad about the 380. It is one of my favorite plinking rounds. Cheap and easy to reload and lots of wonderful unique guns made in it. I am also not going to talk bad about the 38sp. I am a revolver guy at heart.

If I had to bet, I would say that the 38 sp outsells the 380 in ammo sales. Just a guess, but most people that own 380s probably don't shoot the number of rounds people with 38sp shoot. Seems like a lot of 357 owners mainly shoot 38s
 
Not gonna talk bad about the 380. It is one of my favorite plinking rounds. Cheap and easy to reload and lots of wonderful unique guns made in it.
That describes the .32 ACP for me, but I love the .38 Spl as well.
 
If I had to bet, I would say that the 38 sp outsells the 380 in ammo sales. Just a guess, but most people that own 380s probably don't shoot the number of rounds people with 38sp shoot. Seems like a lot of 357 owners mainly shoot 38s

I believe you are correct, but I think it is probably somewhat closer than you might think. There are a lot of micro-.380s out there now.

I think that CAS/SASS shooters will guarantee the bet, but without that it would be a surprisingly narrow margin.

I also agree that generally speaking people probably don't shoot their .380s as much as their .38s (and .357s with .38 ammo) round-for-round. Finally, I also have no quarrel with .380 and can co-exist with it, although I definitely prefer .38 given the choice.



Now - does .38 outsell 9mm in the US at this point? There's a bet you might have to worry about your money on.
 
Idk.... I sure like the .38 special. It's great for CCW. Yeah, the capacity is a little low, but what other pocketable gun will launch a 158gr bullet?
 
If you look at how many ammo companies make .38 Spl. ammo you will see the old round ain't dead at all.

Deaf
 
When I saw all the tests that have been done with the 135g Gold Dot load, it's hard not to go with it. On top of that, every Police Dpt. that has used it, are very happy with it's performance.
 
You can count me as a fan of the .38. Of all the firearms I have at my disposal, my S&W 442 is the most carried firearm I own.

Just when I thought I had obtained every firearm I desired, this Smith & Wesson Model 10 fell into my lap and I quickly purchased it last week.

While I will never feel that the plastic semi-autos don't have an important place as high quality, effective, reliable fighting pistols, there is something beautiful and soulful IMHO about great revolvers made of steel and wood.

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When I saw all the tests that have been done with the 135g Gold Dot load, it's hard not to go with it. On top of that, every Police Dpt. that has used it, are very happy with it's performance.

It's even better when launched from a 4" barrel. I like watcing and reading about the tests done with new ammo, but I'm sick of seeing it done with snubies. I'd really like to see more tests conducted with this ammo from something like a 4" S&W M10.
 
I don't think it is forgotten at all. I see folks like you defending the platform all the time. I recently came back to a Smith & Wesson 638 for many positive reasons. The venerable .38 Special revolvers keep flying off the shelves as fast as the ammunition. I am just fortunate that I had a nice supply of over 200 rounds of SD ammo, and about 300 rounds of target ammo. I don't think the .38 Special will ever go out of style. It is and will always be a great self defense cartridge.
 
I'm a huge fan of the .38 Special and carry a S&W M442 daily. When I might need more firepower I add a M10 to my belt.

I'm a revolver guy and I have more 38/357 revolver than anything else. I think both are great cartridges especially for SD.
 
When you say .38 SPC, I think S&W, and the combination of those 2 wonderful systems is timeless. Imagine if the 38 was introduced by H&R or something equally lower-tier, we wouldn't have this love affair.
For me it's a K-38 Combat Masterpiece, 1951, pre-model 15. Perfect pairing.
 
When you say .38 SPC, I think S&W, and the combination of those 2 wonderful systems is timeless. Imagine if the 38 was introduced by H&R or something equally lower-tier, we wouldn't have this love affair.
For me it's a K-38 Combat Masterpiece, 1951, pre-model 15. Perfect pairing.
I think you're right about the M15 but I think I would rather have a M13 so I could fire .357 Magnums too if I wanted to. BUT, both are fine revolvers for sure...
 
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