.380 vs 9mm?

[dec41971]

In the US they are popular because of Kel Tec's P3AT and the knockoff's that followed. In Europe, S.America and certain M.East countries they are popular and have always been so as powerful Military & Police weapons. With the advance of body armor, metallurgic technology and ballistics, Government troops are usually no longer issued the .380. So why do civillians in these countries still like them? Maybe because most Europeans are not ballistic savvy and in Europe the .380 is called 9mm Kurtz so they think it is the same as a 9x19.

Maybe because your typical BG is not a gov troop wearing armor? Just wondering.

 

[oldfool]

derringer demographic

a lot of guns can be concealed, but sensible 9s are not derringers
7 shot 380s are

380 in a Keltec or LCP is harsh enough to take the fun out of high round counts
derringers in 9mm or larger make better novelties than shooters

I don't much believe in derringers for "primary", but a 7 shot LCP derringer is just too light and small to NOT carry "just because"... which is really why so many of us often do
9 out of 10 will never shoot real well with a KelTec or LCP size/weight 380
but 99 out of 100 will never have to shoot at all
(real shootouts across the poker table just are not all that common, if ever they really were)
carry something larger you can IWB if/when real worried about yourself

 

[Mayo]

Mouseguns can be tossed in the jacket pocket, or your suit coat, or your suit pants.

9mm not so easy.

Because there is no such thing as a true 9mm pocket gun

Uh---again---ever heard of a Rohrbaugh R9? Wrong on both counts.:banghead:

 

[welldoya]

welldoya

Funny thing about these threads - people are going to try to justify whatever it is that they carry.
I carry an LCP because it fits in my pocket. I'm not going to be uncomfortable or buy my pants 2 sizes too big so I can stick a Glock 9mm in my waist band. If I was in an actual shootout, I would much rather have a 1911 than the LCP but chances are very small that will happen.
As for the comment that 9 out of 10 people will never shoot an LCP well, I guess I'm 1 out of 10. I'm very happy with it. That's 5 shots in that target.
I hear the Rohrbaugh's are nice but I'm not going to spend $1100 on a pocket pistol, especially when there are alternatives.

 

[Mayo]

hear the Rohrbaugh's are nice but I'm not going to spend $1100 on a pocket pistol, especially when there are alternatives.

And there it is in a nutshell----if you can't afford an R9 then by all means get the .380----but don't say there isn't a 9mm that is the same size as a .380 so that's why I carry a .380. BTW, a .380 is not an = alternative to a 9mm regardless of price.

 

[IMTHDUKE]

Because there is no such thing as a true 9mm pocket gun

You might need to get out more....just saying...

And there it is in a nutshell----if you can't afford an R9 then by all means get the .380----but don't say there isn't a 9mm that is the same size as a .380 so that's why I carry a .380. BTW, a .380 is not an = alternative to a 9mm regardless of price.

Your right as rain.