So then you think 20" plus is not enough?Maybe for those pesky armbones and shoulders you seemed so concerned about in post #27.
So then you think 20" plus is not enough?Maybe for those pesky armbones and shoulders you seemed so concerned about in post #27.
Well, you never know, do you?So then you think 20" plus is not enough?
Ok,but I would like to point out that Buffalo Bore 380 HC is about $1.20 + shipping per cartridge, verses WWB with truncated bullet for .32 cents per round and a lot of people think the WWB round has too much penetration.Well, you never know, do you?
Like you said, sometimes there's a bone to get through and some people are just plain monster sized.
Yea, I hear you. That's why I load essentially an equivalent of BB for about a nickel a pop.Ok,but I would like to point out that Buffalo Bore 380 HC is about $1.20 + shipping per cartridge, verses WWB with truncated bullet for .32 cents per round and a lot of people think the WWB round has too much penetration.
Whatever floats your boat.
Brand or bullet type wasn't mentioned in the report.What brand?
I've tried the P3AT and the 238 and if it was up to me I would pick the 238 and use FMJ.
Not sure whether I would use the truncated cone or the standard round nose, that would depend on reliability testing (I would favour the truncated cone if it is reliable as folks indicate in this thread).
Regarding penetration, the little .380 does just fine in FMJ. One of my research cases involved a woman who was shot with her arms raised up in a defensive posture by a bad guy. The bullet hit her hand at the base of the fifth proximal phalanx in the web and caused multiple fractures:
1) Fifth proximal phalanx
2) Fifth metacarpal
3) Fourth metacarpal
4) Hamate
5) Distal ulna
6) Radial head
The bullet ended up posterior to the distal humerus. Here is one possible trajectory (other arm shown down for clarity):
I think that's absurd. It's like saying that because there are plenty of small .357 revolvers out there the same size as a .38 and cost the same, .38 Special revolvers and ammo are obsolete.Being that there are plenty of small 9mm pistols out the same size as a .380 and cost the same (ammo/gun), .380 pistols and ammo are obsolete.
Can you shoot .380 in a 9mm? NoI think that's absurd. It's like saying that because there are plenty of small .357 revolvers out there the same size as a .38 and cost the same, .38 Special revolvers and ammo are obsolete.
My son who had a P238 purchased a P938 a few weeks ago also and they are almost identical accept the 938 is slightly larger.Being that there are plenty of small 9mm pistols out the same size as a .380 and cost the same (ammo/gun), .380 pistols and ammo are obsolete.
And I would rather have a gun I can shoot better. To each his own.I would rather have a little more recoil than an inferior cartridge.
That's a good point, 3twelves, but I still believe it is all about different options for different people and needs and small 9mm pistols do not obsolete small .380 pistols IMO. It's all about options..38 spl costs less and can be shot out of a .357 so that makes it useful.
Brand or bullet type wasn't mentioned in the report.
Being that there are plenty of small 9mm pistols out the same size as a .380 and cost the same (ammo/gun), .380 pistols and ammo are obsolete.