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[cridertj]

i have been looking at the 300's a little and was wondering what the difference is between 300 win mag and 300wsm other then case length

 

[browningguy]

The WSM cartridges are short and fat, and hence may not chamber as smoothly in some rifles. The WSM is almost equivelent to a 300 Winchester as far as velocity and energy with light bullets (150-165 gr.). The bullet starts intruding on the powder space a little too much in the 180 and heavier gr. loads and the 300 Winchester starts pulling away.

To be perfectly honest I never gave the WSM's much of a chance, it was the answer to a question no one had ever asked so I though why bother. And in fact almost nobody bothered, which is why they seem to be going away. Check your local sporting goods stores to compare the offerings between the 300 WSM and 300 Win. and you may see what I mean.

 

[cridertj]

also how does the ultra mag compare to them i am wanting a long range gun that if i get the chance to do some big game hunting i will be able to do it and if not hunting then long range target shooting

 

[GunNut]

The greatest benefit of the .300wsm is the ability to be fired in a gun with a shorter action than is necessary for the .300win mag. With the same barrel length the wsm gun will be 1'+ shorter overall than a .300 win mag gun.

Realistically a .300wsm or win mag is all the gun you need, the ultra mag and .30-378 Weatherby will gain you velocity but at the cost of more noise, recoil and a bigger gun.

I will be going to a .270 or .300 wsm as my hunting rifle for next year.

 

[Outlaws]

long range target shooting

big game hunting

What do you consider long range and what kind of big game?

The 300 is a lot of gun for target shooting, and unless you are talking 800-1000 yards (which I can't see using a hunting rifle for), a 30-06 will probably cover that and the big game more than adequately.

 

[cridertj]

thanks for all the good info i use to own a 3006 and loved it would i be better off with another one or am i on the right track with upping it to the 300's

 

[Outlaws]

There isn't much game in the US that will not fall to a 30-06, and the 300 Win is a terrible choice IMO for casual target shooting, and that has nothing to do with the recoil.

 

[cridertj]

for hunting how far would be an acceptable hunting range for the 3006

 

[P-32]

for hunting how far would be an acceptable hunting range for the 3006

This would depend on the skills of the shooter.

Outlaws, the 300 Win Mag is by the way a very good target round. I've shot it out to a 1000 at Perry.

 

[Outlaws]

Outlaws, the 300 Win Mag is by the way a very good target round. I've shot it out to a 1000 at Perry.

Yes, but I was referring to the casual target shooter using a hunting rifle. The 300 burns barrels with the best of them, and is best served either as sporter barrel strictly for hunting, or in a rifle built for long range target shooting/competition/sniping.

for hunting how far would be an acceptable hunting range for the 3006

That depends on what you are hunting.

 

[ROMAK IV]

To answer your question, a 30-03 should be gfood out to 600 yards, But, it isn't advised for most hunters, because, the rifles aren't accurate enough to insure a kill at that distance. With practise, and an evaluation of the accuracy potential of the particular rifle involved, would make the difference. Goin back to most rifles that use 300 Winmag, recoil isn't that different because most rifles that use 300 Winmag are larger. My Savage 112 VSSR is pretty big and heavy enough where recoil isn't a factor. If you are tolerant of the recoil and the added weight of the rifle, I don't see a reason to necessarily steer away from one. It's a common caliber and priced similiar to most of the other popular cartridges. I had a similiar recomendation when someone asked about 300 WinMag for Prairie dogs. Costs and accuracy potential are pretty similiar to the cartridges that they normally use, and you're not going to save the meat, so why not? Weatherby 300 Mag is a bit more expensive and Weatherby had their rifles on sale forever, to compete with Winmag on cost. The 300 short Mags, there's at least three of them, don't quite have the power and velocity, and they still aren't real popular, so cost will be higher. If you look a bit, you may find a real bargain even cheaper. The above mentioned rifle was bought used but never fired, for about half the current list price. 300 Winmag is also optimized, as far as accuracy potential for 800 to 100 yards. With the heavier bullets, it becomes like the 6.5's and 6.8 Grendal.

 

[ojibweindian]

If you reload, I'd get the 300 Win Mag because one can always down-load the 300 to get 30-06 performance. Also, it would difficult (dangerous) to stuff enough powder in a 30-06 case to push the cartridge to the performance levels of the 300 mag.

 

[oldironman]

I have a Rem 700 in .300 winmag that has been my primary hunter for over 15 years. I do love it, but I bought it for the reasons you are mentioning. To date, I have never shot anything that my previous rifle (a .308) wouldn't handle. For target shooting, unless you get one with a target barrel, you have to wait too long in-between shots for the barrel to cool for my amusement. I have a .17HMR, and a 22magnum for that. I wish I had a .204Ruger instead of one of those. In short, especially considering the cost of 300winmag ammo, I wish I still had my 308 instead. It was lighter (if you like walking through the woods, you WILL notice the difference), quieter, easier to shoot a lot, much cheaper to shoot a lot, and easily just as accurate on targets. I have a muzzle break on my 300, but I rarely use it because it throws too much noise back at me.
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[cridertj]

thanks for all the replies from all of you i think i will look more into another 3006 or 308 for my needs . dose any one know of any charts or info listing different rounds and distances capable of taking deer size game or some thing comparing like rounds like the 3006 and 308 as far as trajectory and kinetic energy this is stuff i would really like to know more about but never see much info as far as comparing one to another