40 S&W 180g coated lead bullet data needed.

[beeenbag]

As the title says, I need load data for 180g hitek (Probably spelled wrong) coated bullets. Neither of my manuals list it, Alliant website doesn’t help me at all and neither does Hodgdons website. I even have the annually paid hornady app and it is ****. They got me for one year but that’s gonna be it.
Anyways, I’m hoping to use Alliant unique powder as I have about 18lbs of it. If not that then I’m open to other powders but unless I have it on hand at this time, probably not gonna help much today.

pistol powders on hand

unique
W231
Hp-38
Longshot
Be-86
Blue dot
H110
And lil gun.

hoping not to be using blue dot or longshot since that’s my two favorite 10mm powders lol

edit to add: I’m not looking for your home
Data or some recipe your uncle told you. I’m hoping to get a link to Published lead 180g 40 cal data

 

[wankerjake]

Pretty sure it’s listed under “lead”

 

[LiveLife]

40 S&W 180g coated lead bullet ... Published ... data

unique, W231, Hp-38, Longshot, Be-86

2004 Alliant load data has lead loads for 155/180 gr bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?resources/2004-alliant-load-data.18/

• 40S&W 180 gr Laser Cast (Likely TCFP) Unique OAL 1.125" Max 5.5 gr (973 fps)

This is only current 40S&W lead load data from Alliant (Note OAL of 1.160" which is longer than SAAMI max of 1.135" ... More on longer OAL at end of my post) - http://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...&weight=180&shellid=29&bulletid=439&bdid=1582

• 40S&W 180 gr Acme FP-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.160" Max 5.0 gr (1010 fps)

And while Lyman #49 has plenty of 150/175 gr lead load data (Add around 5 gr for lube weight to get 155/180 gr) BUT slug your barrel first and if your groove-to-groove diameter is .401", use Lyman 40S&W load data but if groove diameter is more typical .400", I would suggest using more conservative Hodgdon plated load data.

Why?

Lyman used .401" groove diameter test barrel and often lead max charges far exceed Hodgdon plated max charges with some Lyman start charges at Hodgdon max charges.

Here's Lyman #49 load data for W231:

• 40S&W 175 gr Lead FP W231 OAL 1.125" Start 4.3 gr (863 fps) - Max 5.8 gr (977 fps)

And here's Hodgdon load data (Notice 5.1 gr charge is at 33,500 PSI) - http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

• 40S&W 180 gr Berry's FP W231/HP-38 COL 1.125" Start 4.4 gr (872 fps) - Max 5.1 gr (984 fps) 33,500 PSI
• 40S&W 180 gr Berry's FP Longshot COL 1.125" Start 6.3 gr (1,013 fps) - Max 7.5 gr (1,150 fps)

Personally, 180 gr Lead TCFP with 3.9-4.3 gr of W231/HP-38 produce lighter, 9mm-like recoil loads that are good for practice and training. And you can certainly load higher.

This Guns & Ammo article has 40S&W USPSA minor power factor loads for 180 gr Lead bullet using W231 down to 3.5 gr - https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/ammunition_40lite_091806/138689

And at least since 2006, W231 has been the same powder as HP-38 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...able-these-days.707473/page-204#post-11630453

I also like to use longer than SAAMI max length and use around 1.142" for TCFP and 1.155" for RNFP bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-for-lead-plated-bullets.743416/#post-9363753

W231/WSF were my choice of powders for 40S&W as 1999 Winchester load data had loads for 170/200 gr Lead bullets and I kinda split the difference for 180 gr lead/plated bullets - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=159609&stc=1&d=1329800605

• 40S&W 170 gr Lead W231 (No OAL) Start 4.0 gr (850 fps) - Max 5.2 gr (1030 fps)
• 40S&W 170 gr Lead WSF (No OAL) Start 5.2 gr (950 fps) - Max 6.2 gr (1090 fps)

And you can reference load data for heavier 200 gr bullet for 180 gr bullet.

• 40S&W 200 gr Lead W231 (No OAL) Start 3.0 gr (700 fps) - Max 4.0 gr (850 fps)
• 40S&W 200 gr Lead WSF (No OAL) Start 3.9 gr (785 fps) - Max 5.0 gr (920 fps)

During the "Great Component Shortage" I found Herco to be very usable for 40S&W with lead/plated bullets that produced accuracy and very clean burning; yes, inside the case clean burning. But since you are only looking for published load data, I will just post the link to the Herco load development thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/40s-w-and-herco-for-lead-plated-bullets.743416/

And that brings us to BE-86.

When BE-86 was released, it became my "go to" powder for 40S&W and replaced WSF as it produced more accurate loads.

These are Alliant load data I referenced for my load development with 180 gr plated bullet - https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=38&cartridge=29

• 40S&W 180 gr JHP BE-86 OAL 1.120" Max 6.3 gr (1,020 fps)
• 40S&W 180 gr FMC BE-86 OAL 1.120" Max 6.6 gr (1,068 fps)
  
• 40S&W 180 gr Speer CPFN OAL 1.120" Max 7.0 gr (1,086 fps)

And here's Speer load data for TMJ (Thick plated bullet) you can reference for lead bullets - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...0_caliber-10mm_400_dia/40_SmithWesson_180.pdf

• 40S&W 180 gr Speer TMJ FN BE-86 OAL 1.120" Start 4.9 gr (879 fps) - Max 6.0 gr (1026 fps)

I ended up using 6.1 gr of BE-86 for 180 gr plated RNFP but I used longer 1.155" OAL and produced very accurate load - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ick-plated-bullets.761471/page-4#post-9645513

For your coated lead bullet, I would use the longest working OAL and reference Speer load data for TMJ for your load development starting at 4.9 gr and perhaps working up to 5.5 gr, higher if working OAL is longer.


https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ick-plated-bullets.761471/page-4#post-9646469

 

[beeenbag]

Pretty sure it’s listed under “lead”

Ya think? Think I just missed it in my load manuals. Thanks for all the infinite wisdom, you’re a great contributor to the forum.

 

[beeenbag]

2004 Alliant load data has lead loads for 155/180 gr bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?resources/2004-alliant-load-data.18/

• 40S&W 180 gr Laser Cast (Likely TCFP) Unique OAL 1.125" Max 5.5 gr (973 fps)

This is only current 40S&W lead load data from Alliant (Note OAL of 1.160" which is longer than SAAMI max of 1.135" ... More on longer OAL at end of my post) - http://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...&weight=180&shellid=29&bulletid=439&bdid=1582

• 40S&W 180 gr Acme FP-NLG coated Sport Pistol OAL 1.160" Max 5.0 gr (1010 fps)

And while Lyman #49 has plenty of 150/175 gr lead load data (Add around 5 gr for lube weight to get 155/180 gr) BUT slug your barrel first and if your groove-to-groove diameter is .401", use Lyman 40S&W load data but if groove diameter is more typical .400", I would suggest using more conservative Hodgdon plated load data.

Why?

Lyman used .401" groove diameter test barrel and often lead max charges far exceed Hodgdon plated max charges with some Lyman start charges at Hodgdon max charges.

Here's Lyman #49 load data for W231:

• 40S&W 175 gr Lead FP W231 OAL 1.125" Start 4.3 gr (863 fps) - Max 5.8 gr (977 fps)

And here's Hodgdon load data (Notice 5.1 gr charge is at 33,500 PSI) - http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

• 40S&W 180 gr Berry's FP W231/HP-38 COL 1.125" Start 4.4 gr (872 fps) - Max 5.1 gr (984 fps) 33,500 PSI
• 40S&W 180 gr Berry's FP Longshot COL 1.125" Start 6.3 gr (1,013 fps) - Max 7.5 gr (1,150 fps)

Personally, 180 gr Lead TCFP with 3.9-4.3 gr of W231/HP-38 produce lighter, 9mm-like recoil loads that are good for practice and training. And you can certainly load higher.

This Guns & Ammo article has 40S&W USPSA minor power factor loads for 180 gr Lead bullet using W231 down to 3.5 gr - https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/ammunition_40lite_091806/138689

I also like to use longer than SAAMI max length and use around 1.142" for TCFP and 1.155" for RNFP bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-for-lead-plated-bullets.743416/#post-9363753

W231/WSF were my choice of powders for 40S&W as 1999 Winchester load data had loads for 170/200 gr Lead bullets and I kinda split the difference for 180 gr lead/plated bullets - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=159609&stc=1&d=1329800605

• 40S&W 170 gr Lead W231 (No OAL) Start 4.0 gr (850 fps) - Max 5.2 gr (1030 fps)
• 40S&W 170 gr Lead WSF (No OAL) Start 5.2 gr (950 fps) - Max 6.2 gr (1090 fps)

And you can reference load data for heavier 200 gr bullet for 180 gr bullet.

• 40S&W 200 gr Lead W231 (No OAL) Start 3.0 gr (700 fps) - Max 4.0 gr (850 fps)
• 40S&W 200 gr Lead WSF (No OAL) Start 3.9 gr (785 fps) - Max 5.0 gr (920 fps)

During the "Great Component Shortage" I found Herco to be very usable for 40S&W with lead/plated bullets that produced accuracy and very clean burning; yes, inside the case clean burning. But since you are only looking for published load data, I will just post the link to the Herco load development thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/40s-w-and-herco-for-lead-plated-bullets.743416/

And that brings us to BE-86.

When BE-86 was released, it became my "go to" powder for 40S&W and replaced WSF as it produced more accurate loads.

These are Alliant load data I referenced for my load development with 180 gr plated bullet - https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=38&cartridge=29

• 40S&W 180 gr JHP BE-86 OAL 1.120" Max 6.3 gr (1,020 fps)
• 40S&W 180 gr FMC BE-86 OAL 1.120" Max 6.6 gr (1,068 fps)
  
• 40S&W 180 gr Speer CPFN OAL 1.120" Max 7.0 gr (1,086 fps)

And here's Speer load data for TMJ (Thick plated bullet) you can reference for lead bullets - https://reloading-data.speer-ammo.c...0_caliber-10mm_400_dia/40_SmithWesson_180.pdf

• 40S&W 180 gr Speer TMJ FN BE-86 OAL 1.120" Start 4.9 gr (879 fps) - Max 6.0 gr (1026 fps)

I ended up using 6.1 gr of BE-86 for 180 gr plated RNFP but I used longer 1.155" OAL and produced very accurate load - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ick-plated-bullets.761471/page-4#post-9645513

For your coated lead bullet, I would use the longest working OAL and reference Speer load data for TMJ for your load development starting at 4.9 gr and perhaps working up to 5.5 gr, higher if working OAL is longer.


https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ick-plated-bullets.761471/page-4#post-9646469

Awesome info sir, thank you so much.

 

[wankerjake]

Ya think? Think I just missed it in my load manuals. Thanks for all the infinite wisdom, you’re a great contributor to the forum.

It was smart arse for use lead data, you seemed to be confused about load data being listed under “coated”

Old Alliant data posts 5.5gr Unique for 180gr laser cast

When you get your panties un-bunched you can get to work on that 18lbs of Unique now

And lighten up, Francis. Wasn’t trying to give you that big of a hard time. I appreciate the compliment nonetheless

Love,
Wanker

 

[wankerjake]

Oh, a tip: Alliant is historically real good about clarifying or offering load data to specific questions via email. If old Ben is still around he’s a super helpful dude

 

[beeenbag]

It was smart arse for use lead data, you seemed to be confused about load data being listed under “coated”

Old Alliant data posts 5.5gr Unique for 180gr laser cast

When you get your panties un-bunched you can get to work on that 18lbs of Unique now

And lighten up, Francis. Wasn’t trying to give you that big of a hard time. I appreciate the compliment nonetheless

Love,
Wanker

lead data is what I was seeking lol neither of my manuals have lead data for 40 and neither Alliant nor hodgdons sites offer much for it.

 

[Walkalong]

5.0 Grs W-231 and that 180 Gr coated at near max SAMMI .40 OAL and you'll be happy.

Longshot & BE-86 also work well.

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

The OP is overthinking this. Coated bullets are not a Unicorn. Just use data from the current loading manuals we should all have.

And I use Longshot for my .40.