.40 S&W going the way of the dinosaurs?

[Buzznrose]

Some tactics & gun "experts" use 9x19mm semi auto pistols everyday with 0 issues. They teach classes & suggest 9mm firearms to the students/armed professionals(PSCs, cops, federal agents, etc). Pat Rodgers, a retired sworn LE officer(NYPD) & USMC veteran says that his everyday carry pistol is a M&P full size 9x19mm. Rodgers teaches all over the USA.

He says the 9x19mm has great ballistics & new bullet designs compared to the 1990s/1980s. He also feels the larger magazine capacity & lower recoil are + factors.

There's nothing wrong with the .40S&W. It's fine for most uses but I think the .45acp would be better for most users/armed personnel. Marksmanship training & proper tactics can be used to make a .45acp shooter better.



Rusty

This article is very interesting. One LEO's perspective from a harrowing shoot out with a very focused attacker:

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

 

[AnthemBassMan]

Just goes to show you. No matter what you carry, especially if it's this side of an M110 Howitzer, you may just be undergunned!

L8R,

 

[Buzznrose]

Agreed. Problem is that while chances of a gunfight are still very slim, between drug induced wackos and scumbags traveling in packs, the chances of needing more ammo versus bigger ammo is a compelling argument
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[Deltaboy1984]

Love my Sigma 40'VE.

 

[Deaf Smith]

.40 S&W going the way of the dinosaurs?

Do you have any idea how long the dinosaurs lived?

Heck, even the .41 magnum is still used by some people.

And that is why the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG will be around for quite a while.

They even still make .38 S&W for heaven sakes!

Deaf

 

[RustyShackelford]

Hope yet for the .357sig?.....

I saw a encouraging sign that the .357sig may still have some legs.
Hornady's Critical Duty ammunition line now has a 135gr .357sig .
I'm no engineer or gun expert, but it looks like the R&D guys took a Critical Duty 9x19mm 135gr bullet & squeezed it onto a .357sig case. Ezzey Pizzey.

I purchased a Critical Duty box of 50rds(.45acp) in the summer of 2013. I'll keep that for now but I did see a sweet LE trade in SIG P229R .357sig pistol that wouldn't be a bad carry/vehicle gun.

We'll see.

 

[hardluk1]

If you want a better 357sig or 40sw try these guys. There jacked hp are nosler, hp bonded when they can get some is speer, now with some barnes and hornady xtp. I use there 155gr 40 bonded and xtp
http://www.underwoodammo.com/pistolammunition.aspx

 

[Delford]

RE: the link in post 76:
God bless the LEOs who put themselves in harms way every day and stop evil people. After reading the linked story I still feel protected by my Ruger P345 and at home by my Rem 870. After reading the article I recommit myself to consistent practice and discipline in training. I pray I never have to confront such an evil person but I know they are out there. I don't have but 16 shots outside my home so I will have to be very focused on making them count.

 

[Bovice]

357 SIG is one round that is bad to the bone, but pretty application-specific to me. I had one but I've long since gotten rid of it. If I need a powerful semi-automatic pistol, I'll use a .40 or a .45. The blast of 357 SIG was just a bit too much. Just ask the SO who thought he didn't need ear protection outside. It rang his bell when I started shooting and the muffs came out.

 

[Cee Zee]

There's nothing wrong with the .40S&W. It's fine for most uses but I think the .45acp would be better for most users/armed personnel. Marksmanship training & proper tactics can be used to make a .45acp shooter better.

Both of my .45's are considerably more accurate than my .40. And one of my .45's is a Taurus PT-145. It shoots very accurate and has yet to have a single problem. The only reason I carry the .40 is capacity. It's a SA XDm which means it holds 16+1. It isn't terrible about accuracy but my Sig P220 and my Taurus are just very accurate. I was happy about the Taurus when I bought it because it held 10+1 rounds of .45 in a medium size frame. It's thinner than a lot of single stack .45's. It's thinner than the new Sig P227 which looks like it was designed by Taurus. Yeah I know the quality is likely better but it's hard to argue with perfect and so far that's how my Taurus has worked (I've put a few thousand rounds through it). It really is a heck of a pistol and has much less muzzle flip than my Sig. But there's something comforting about having nearly double the capacity of the Taurus and well over double the Sig's capacity. I think that's what sells the .40. Also it's a bit more powerful than a 9mm but it doesn't kick like a .45 (some people have problems with a .45).

So I'll likely be carrying my .40 until something better comes along. Maybe something will convince me to go back to a .45 but the speed of a .40 bullet has benefits. So does the .45 of course. It gets back to capacity every time for me.

 

[M1GarandDeerHunter]

I like it because I have found buckets of brass on the ground at my rifle range, and other than the recent shortage, loaded ammo by the case at the local gun stores. Cool.