MikeJackmin
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Therein lies the rub with a 44 special only gun. Still far too large to CCW, which is the application keeping the 38spl in the game relative to 357.It’s hard to find enough volume of sales for 44 spl. For some reason I am getting a lot of offers for trading a 44 special Ruger GP for a few things I am selling locally that happen to be 44 mag. Seems there is some buyers remorse going on. I sure wasn’t going to make that trade. Don’t want a gun that can’t shoot a 44 mag as that is what I am most invested in right now. This is just personal preference but I’d rather have 45 Colt than any 44 spl.
You have to be kidding...I'm not found of Ruger's .434" cylinder throats in their 44 cal. revolvers, until they remedy that I have no interest in these.
No I'm not.You have to be kidding...
So the GP100 wasn't the only Ruger you had issues with in .44? What about their .44 Mag revolvers?No I'm not.
I have a Ruger Red Hawk in 44 mag with .433-.434" cylinder throats.So the GP100 wasn't the only Ruger you had issues with in .44? What about their .44 Mag revolvers?
Don't blame you.I have a Ruger Red Hawk in 44 mag with .433-.434" cylinder throats.
I checked out two GP-100 3" 44 spl's at the my LGS, he has pin gauges that showed both of these GP-100's had throat diameters in excess of .433".
As much as I would have liked to own a 44 spl GP-100 my experience with my Red Hawk won't let that happen.
I'm not found of Ruger's .434" cylinder throats in their 44 cal. revolvers, until they remedy that I have no interest in these.
And here I thought them running .327 revolvers to .314" throats was big. .434 may as well be the Grand Canyon for a .44
I don't mean to distract from this thread, but I have a couple of (might be stupid) questions:
.309 for a .32 is also excessive. I guess Ruger has always had issues with throats in their revolvers that aren't .45 Colt or .38/.357My bud and I both bought SP-101s with 4" barrels in 32 mag when they first came out many years ogo and they came with .309 throats. I bought a .5125 reamer and reamed them out. What a difference that made with lead bullets.
I don't mean to distract from this thread, but I have a couple of (might be stupid) questions:
1. What does "TALO DISTRIBUTOR EXCLUSIVE" mean?
2. Does it mean I'm not likely to find one at the gun show we're going to in Idaho Falls tomorrow?
I'm asking because I like the looks of the "Talo" version shown in that link you posted, and if I find one at the gunshow, I might be tempted to trade off a Smith 357 I never use.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
So with a .431" cast lead bullet going through a .434" cylinder throat the problem is the bullet will not seal to the chamber throat, and gasses will blow past the bullets base and melt the bullet. This is where the leading begins.Don't we want our throats to be 0.005" oversize for our bullets?
My bud and I both bought SP-101s with 4" barrels in 32 mag when they first came out many years ogo and they came with .309 throats. I bought a .5125 reamer and reamed them out. What a difference that made with lead bullets.
Yup, but .434" throat diameters aren't the worst I've seen, that dubious award goes to the Taurus Judge revolvers and their .458 throats, however I'm not sure if that has to do with those being .410 chambers, but whatever the case it means .45 Colt leads bad. The only good news is that there are bullets you can use to avoid this.So with a .431" cast lead bullet going through a .434" cylinder throat the problem is the bullet will not seal to the chamber throat, and gasses will blow past the bullets base and melt the bullet. This is where the leading begins.
S&W figured this out, their early 44 spl and magnum revolvers had oversized throats and then they went with a .4295" cylinder throat.
I have a S&W 696 with .4295" throats and I can shoot cast lead bhn 12, 200 gr bullets to 950 fps with no leading. I can not find a load with a cast bullet that will not lead my Redhawk with .434" throats.
If anyone can show me a load with a standard cast bullet sized at .430-.431 at any BHN at any velocity for a Ruger Redhawk with a 7.5" barrel that won't lead the barrel I am all ears.