44 mag lead bullets and h110?

[TimSr]

WAY below starting load for a 200gr bullet which is a huge no-no for H110!

BRN of 18 is about ideal for full 44 magnum loads, and shoot fine over H110 when loaded as directed.

I believe Lasercast are BRN 22 which is super hard, and probably no obturation, especially with the flakey low pressure load you are trying to assemble. You're best shot at getting clean shooting, accurate, non-leading rounds from those 200gr bullets is starting at least with the minimum charge of 27-28gr. The bullet needs higher pressure to obturate, and your powder need a much heavier charge to burn consistently and properly.

If you want light plinkers, Unique is a good way to go, but you'll probably get better cast loads from a 240gr bullet with an 18BRN max, with 12 being ideal. You simply can't do light loads with H110 without getting the results you did, or worse.

With H110 magnum primers are highly recommended from those companies who offer both a standard and a magnum for large pistol. Some companies offer only one for both.

 

[Ret.CWO]

http://castpics.net Old data has 240 gr lead at 25 gr w296. Maximum. As said above, powder is best with heavier bullets. For a 200 gr lead, Unique works well.

Been using that load for over 20 years.

 

[midland man]

I used 7grs greendot and 240gr lead bullets! worked well using a .430-.432dia bullet, as you need to use a bullet at lest .002 over bore diameter! slug your bore and mic that lead bullet and go oversize with 12bhn hardness bullet! h110 is better for jacketed bullets!!

 

[mdi]

I guess you could use the method suggested by the above member ("You do NOT need to know all the above info to shoot lead bullets") and you may get lucky too. I prefer to know about my guns. I know the critical dimensions of all my centerfire guns. I have slugged mebbe 20 barrels, measured mebbe 12 cylinders, and chamber throats on a few of my rifles. Had I not done this I would not have discovered a few "oddities" (I have an SMLE in 303 that has a groove diameter of .318", supposed to be .311". I have a 9mm with a groove diameter of .3575", supposed to be .355"-.356". I have a revolver with .429" cylinder throats, should be at least .431"). I like facts when dealing with reloading for my guns, not making a WAG...

 

[adcoch1]

I used Winchester wlp primers, and my bullets are sized to .431, plus i had 4 different people confirm that this load was working for them. So not really a WAG, but an uninformed position to be sure. The volume of powder in the case actually seemed about the same as previous loads with other powder, so again, not unreasonable, but incorrect. I don't want others to duplicate my screwup which is why i'm asking the questions on here. These were my VERY first all lead bullet loads, so maybe the info can help someone else as well.

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[mavracer]

Some people have a different idea about working, to some it's "they go bang and put holes someplace on the target" others strive for "they went bang and all went in one hole".
H110/WW296 is very good at the latter but only when loaded near max and works especially well with heavys.
Same goes for matching lead bullet diameter and hardness, get anywhere close and they'll probably shoot ok(2-3" at 25y) match everything up and you can shrink those down under an inch.

 

[adcoch1]

By the way, under rifle data in the hornady manual it lists a 200 grain xtp starting at 22.6 of H110. That xtp is very similar in size and shape to the lasercast i am using. I bet that i just need to bump up to starting loads for the revolver. And it appears the leading is probably just bullet lube instead of lead. Gonna have to look into this some more...

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[adcoch1]

And working for me is hitting clays set out to 200 with the rifle, so accuracy is very important to me.

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[TimSr]

I don't know why, but Hornady seems to be totally clueless when it comes to H110 powder, even ignoring all the direct caution warnings from Hodgden. Hornady publishes extremely poor data for H110 loadings, and I highly recommend using ANY other source for H110 loads including Hodgdon's website. For some reason Hornady is set on publishing potential squibs that all the other sources caution against.

 

[adcoch1]

I don't know why, but Hornady seems to be totally clueless when it comes to H110 powder, even ignoring all the direct caution warnings from Hodgden. Hornady publishes extremely poor data for H110 loadings, and I highly recommend using ANY other source for H110 loads including Hodgdon's website. For some reason Hornady is set on publishing potential squibs that all the other sources caution against.

I will keep that in mind. I have the lyman 49 and a one caliber book on 44, so I'll find a load that works.

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[fouled bore]

I believe Hornady hads their load data on the conservative side.

 

[BigBore44]

Beating a dead horse. Increase your charge. Make sure you have a good crimp. Go to GC boolits if it still doesn't fix the problem.

 

[GRIZ22]

I've used W296 for my full bore 44 mag loads for years shooting 240 gr cast and jscketed. Remember heavy crimp and although several have mentioned it MAGNUM PRIMERS.

 

[adcoch1]

So what is the best magnum primers out there, i couldn't find cci so i bought some Winchesters, and plan on using these up. I have cci's now, should i just skip the Winchesters?

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[243winxb]

The Winchester large pistol (WLP) primer is what i use with 296/110 powders. They only make one LP primer, as does Remington.

 

[TimSr]

The Winchester large pistol (WLP) primer is what i use with 296/110 powders. They only make one LP primer, as does Remington.

Yes, if a company only makes one Large Pistol primer like Winchester or Remington, that primer is good for Standard or Magnum applications. If they offer a choice, like CCI or Federal, use the magnum.

 

[Crashbox]

I agree with the other folks WRT the load being light and H110 not really suitable for light-for-cartridge bullets. Definitely a full-throttle powder which seems to work very well in .44 Magnum as I found out yesterday, running 240-grain JFP projectiles with 24.0 grains of the stuff. The accuracy impressed me.

 

[midland man]

yep greendot is best for cast bullets infact I am in the process of casting bullets for my 45 colt and found out using 12bhn and starting out I loaded some as cast bullets straight outta the mold they drop at .460dia so I shot these at max 7gr greendot and had zero leading so I ordered a sizing die lube kit by lee in .454 well heres what happened with the 12bhn hardness lead it worked well at 6gr greendot no leading but then I tried some at 6.4gr greendot and just started having some small leading deposits so I tried one more load at 6.8gr greendot and the leading deposits got much bigger but the groups stayed about the same! so overall they grouped well but better at 6gr greendot in which was cleaner! so next i'll be ordering a .457 lee lube sizer kit and going back up .003 fatter to see if I can get these up to the 6.8gr greendot so i'll have more velocity and hopefully not lose any accuracy and hopefully no leading. so overall going with fatter bullets as long as they will chamber easily seems to be the key to keeping the leading from happening! you might try that to see what happens for you!

 

[adcoch1]

So i got a chance to go load up and try out some more loads with the lasercast .431 200grn bullets. 26.0 grn of H110 perform perfectly, no leading and the primers look perfect. A little dirty, but way less unburnt powder. Minute .Of.Popcan accurate and comfortable to shoot. Gonna load up some more and try them in the rifle, but i think i found my plinking load...

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