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45-70 Revolver FAIL

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Bourbon n Cigars, Feb 4, 2013.

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  1. Bourbon n Cigars

    Bourbon n Cigars Member

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    Okay, I am a huge 45-70 fan. With that said, I was given via my buddy's will, a BFR Magnum Research 45-70 revolver. With my primary wrist now severely spained and in a brace I now have flinch.

    Can someone PLEASE tell me that this was an uncommon occurance or what might have happened? I have shot Casuls, magnum suicide handguns and alike,,,so what the heck in plain English!!! I keep saying to myself his loads were meant for his rifle, NOT a handgun, but even then!!!! I shoot 45-70 ALL THE TIME, but NEVER have I EVER encountered such recoil!!!! The revolver is in great shape, by the way,,,unlike my wrists.

    Opinions please??

    Thanks!:cuss:
     
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  2. limpingbear

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    When I shaot the BFR it was in 500 S&W....I noticed the grips were smooth and had a real tendency to roll in the hand. I think it has to do with the design of the gripframe. Try a different set of grips, that offer better grip and not as much roll. should help....otherwise I would say to go with factory, or reduced loads for a while to get over the flinch....
     
  3. OrangePwrx9

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    Best to approach these things incrementally, B&C. Go from what you know you can handle to something a little tougher. If not too bad, repeat.

    I stopped at the .35 Rem. Contender shooting hot 200 gr. handloads. It was very accurate and deadly to deer. But the fun was gone and injury was waiting in the wings. So, no further.

    .45-70? No Way...for me anyhow.

    If you handload, you might give it another try with reduced loads...once your wrist heals.
     
  4. Bourbon n Cigars

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    Thanks! For the first time in years I'm experiencing "flinch" and it SUCKS! Maybe having a hunk of iron almost creasing one's skull has something to do with it?? You mentioned the grips...the redstag grips are nice looking, but I'm thinking you have a seriously good point!

    I keep thinking "overload"...even those at the range at the time stated the damn thing sounded like a Howitzer going off.:confused:
     
  5. Bourbon n Cigars

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    The round was my bud's reload...so the good Lord only knows what he loaded it with. we are, were, about equal stature...good sized men, and I've used his re-loads before. I don't know...this round was simply off-the-wall it seemed!

    The recoil aside, it's the damn flinch I have now that's got my goat more than anything else!!!
     
  6. GCBurner

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    I would never use someone else's unknown reloads, myself.
     
  7. gp911

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    Shoot it with trapdoor loads. Run far away from the mastodon loads.
     
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    Your first mistake was shooting someone's reloads.
    Your second mistake was doing it more than once.

    Like said above, shoot Trapdoor loads in that revolver and you will be very happy. They will still kill anything in North America but won't kill you...
     
  9. hogshead

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    My cousin has a BFR in 45/70. I have shot it a bunch with factory loads [Hndy Leverloution and Win] It was eyeopening but not near as bad as a Taurus Titanium 44 I had. In fact my wife shot it several times. I am thinking you got some dinosaur loads.
     
  10. Bourbon n Cigars

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    Thanks, guys, for the great feedback. Yeah, a lesson learned my friends...if you didn't load it, don't shoot it. Like I said, I've shot Jim's loads before and never expected to get hammered like that. Loved the guy, but the remainder of that box will remain where they are! LOL

    Thanks again everyone! :)
     
  11. brnmw

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    I love the .45-70 Govt. as well always have, but personally I think you guys are "CRAZY"!!!

    I know this statement has not helped anyone or answered the OP ques. but still.....

    About three weeks ago there was a salesman (Young guy) in a gun store that asked me if I knew there was a .45-70 Govt pistol and if I would ever shoot it? (He mentioned his interest in it because of an XBOX game called Fallout "New Vegas" the character in the game can obtain one.).... being familiar with the game, I said "NO WAY!"
     
  12. BCRider

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    You may need some "re-hab" time with a gun that has a lighter recoil for a while to get your old ways back. How about a .44Mag ? :D

    If he had another gun chambered in .45-70 it's possible that his ammo was normally segregated for the revolver and rifle. And you may have gotten one of the rifle rounds.
     
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    A good reason to load to the common ground for all the fireams (chambered for the same cartridge) you own.
     
  14. ATLDave

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    I know nothing about shooting .45-70's from a revolver, and have no plans to acquire the knowledge.

    As for the flinch, that I know about. The best cure is shooting a .22, or maybe .38 wadcutters or soft 9mm's, into a backstop without a target. You flinch with your eyes first - just watch the gun go off. Try to see the brass eject, or the front sight rise and fall, or the muzzle flash/cylinder gap blast. You'll have it beat in no time.
     
  15. tallpaul

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    Uh... You failed not the gun!

    Sorry but limp writing that gun ,getting hurt then blaming the gun, with loads you are unsure of on top of that...

    Definitely not a gun fail!
     
  16. Vikingsoftpaw

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    I read a review on the BFR .45/70 when they first came out. The author couldn't fire another handgun for six months after his BFR shooting session. Too many strained ligaments and bruised muscles in his hands.

    I's pass on 45/70 handguns....
     
  17. HankB

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    I find that the subjective recoil of ANY single-action revolver is worse than the equivalent DA revolver; a Super Blackhawk .44 mag beats me up more than my S&W M29. It's a combination of the high bore line and that horrible plowshare grip frame.

    I'm really not interested in shooting a heavier round out of an SA revolver.
     
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    Though not a revolver I tried shooting a T/C Contender in 45/70.14" factory ported barrel.
    After 3 rounds of 300 gr factory loads my wrist and elbows said "Enough". Some 454 Casull loads aren't to far behind 45/70 factory loads with up to 350 gr bullets. I'll stick to my Sharps when it comes to shooting 45/70 in any bullet weight.
     
  19. rule303

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    I didn't find the BFR 45/70 much worse than a light single action .44 mag. The trick with single actions is to let it roll up on the recoil. If you hold it with a death grip, it is going to destroy your hands. Start with some cowboy loads and get comfortable with the gun before attempting the full power stuff.
     
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    Sorry for your experience. It sounds like the load to me.

    Let things heal and then start shooting something really light. I would shoot a 22LR personally, but that is me. Good luck with that beast.

    I have no desire to shoot the 45/70 round from a revolver. I don't particularly want to shoot it from a rifle.
     
  21. Fleetman

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    I have a 14" .45-70 Contender barrel and I don't find it that bad with Trapdoor (standard 405 gn @ 1300fps rounds) but one or two B/Bore rounds are one or two too many.

    I also have a 14" .444 Marlin Contender barrel (chamber work by SSK) and it's a handful but plenty shootable.

    I agree with the others; if it bothers you on the 1st round then set it down. After all, the first time is a mistake, the second time is a habit and the 3rd time- shame on you! Did you ask your friend what brew he used for his handload? Knowledge of bullet weight and speed will give you a pretty good idea of what to expect.

    That said, a BFR .45-70 is not for everyone.
     
  22. SaxonPig

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    IMO the 45-70 revolver failed the moment somebody said to himself "I'm going to make a revolver in 45-70."
     
  23. AFDavis11

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    If it doesnt have a turret I'm not shooting anything that big!
     
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    Yea. I gotta admit that shooting one is not very far up on my list of "things I gotta do before I die." It's right behind being hit a car, and bit by a Cobra.

    :D
     
  25. Fremmer

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    With an injured wrist, the flinch is no surprise. Maybe let that wrist heal up a little?
     
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