45 ACP with tight group

[JCSC]

Has anyone used TG under a 230 FMJ in 45 Acp?

My Lyman manual does not list it, but Nosler manual has 4.7 gr Max @ 802 fps.

I’m out of HP38 and just looking to burn this 3/4# of TG I have left. Don’t plan on using tight group anymore.

This will just be range ammo.

 

[thump_rrr]

4.6gr of Titegroup is my go to load with 230gr Zero brand JHP's.
It's a dirty load but it performs very well.
It's about the same velocity as 5.4gr of Win 231

 

[NapalmMan67]

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center


BULLET WEIGHT
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP
CASE
WINCHESTER
PRIMER
FEDERAL 150, LARGE PISTOL

Starting Load Maximum Loads
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
Hodgdon Titegroup BUY NOW 0.451" 1.200" 4.4 744 15,000 CUP 4.8 818 16,700 CUP


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[JCSC]

Thanks y’all. That’s close to what my manual shows.

 

[kidneyboy]

4.6gr of Titegroup is my go to load with 230gr Zero brand JHP's.
It's a dirty load but it performs very well.
It's about the same velocity as 5.4gr of Win 231

My experience as well.

 

[Slamfire]

When Alliant made finding Bullseye pistol powder hard to find, many of the 2700 Bullseye Pistol shooters walked to Titegroup. It is a great target powder in the 45 ACP. Eight hundred feet per second with a 230 grain bullet was the original 1910 cartridge loading for the 1911. The powder charge, per Clawson, was 5.0 grains Bullseye pistol powder. And you can see on vintage pistol boxes, this was the target velocity.



match ammunition boxes have an 825 fps, but I don't know what the plus or minus was. Might have been the same velocity as what you see above when the velocity tolerances were taken in effect.





After enough consideration, I don't want higher velocity 230 FMJ's in my 1911's. There is no quantification of "more means more", other than more velocity, and more pressure, just beat the gun and the shooter up more. In terms of lethality, and FMJ bullets, what does more get? I would rather have perfect function and excellent accuracy in a semi automatic pistol. I am sure you will find that to be true with a goal of 800 fps with a 230 grain bullet. By the way, don't freak out when in 50 ish weather, the velocity over the chronograph is 770 fps.

 

[JCSC]

Good stuff! I’m just looking for indoor range ammo. Nothing that is hot rodded.

my wife and I are new to the 45, so I bought a 1000 230 pull downs and would like to burn this tight group powder before switching just to HP38.

I really wasn’t looking to work up a bunch of ladders. I just want these to function and punch paper.

 

[N555]

Yeah 5gr or less for a 230gr fmj.

 

[Charlie98]

Don’t plan on using tight group anymore.

Me, too. I'm burning up the 3/4# I have left in 9mm... where it actually does pretty good. I've never used it in the .45ACP, but I have in the .45 Colt. Not my cup 'o tea.

 

[Bazoo]

Me, too. I'm burning up the 3/4# I have left in 9mm... where it actually does pretty good. I've never used it in the .45ACP, but I have in the .45 Colt. Not my cup 'o tea.

Would you extrapolate further what you didn’t like about TG in 45 colt?

 

[Charlie98]

Would you extrapolate further what you didn’t like about TG in 45 colt?

After 50 rounds, the pistol was so hot I could hardly hold it to punch the empties out. Firing those same rounds in my H&R wasn't so bad, but it wasn't anything Unique or IMR4227 can't do.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

After 50 rounds, the pistol was so hot I could hardly hold it to punch the empties out. Firing those same rounds in my H&R wasn't so bad, but it wasn't anything Unique or IMR4227 can't do.

I think the two most misunderstood powders in the handloading world are IMR 4227 and AA 5744. They are both really very useful powders and easy to work with; they just have a limited repertoire. Used properly, they are superb performers. Too bad the price for each has suffered from price bloat since the plandemic.

 

[Bazoo]

After 50 rounds, the pistol was so hot I could hardly hold it to punch the empties out. Firing those same rounds in my H&R wasn't so bad, but it wasn't anything Unique or IMR4227 can't do.

Thank you for the extra info.

 

[JCSC]

I’m ditching tight group because I want to buy a lot of one powder that will cover my handgun needs. I settled on HP38 for that duty.

 

[black mamba]

My Titegroup load for the X-Treme 230 plated RNHP is 4.7 gr @ 1.23" OAL. Very accurate and consistent.

 

[Hartkopf]

Titegroup does run surprisingly hot. It’s not so bad in 9mm, but I’ve tried it in 40S&W and 44Special, it’s almost unbearable to shoot much volume. I would guess 45ACP will also run hot.

I’ve never found it to be dirty though. Maybe lighter loads are cooler and dirtier?

 

[Charlie98]

Titegroup does run surprisingly hot. It’s not so bad in 9mm

As much as I don't like TiteGroup... it seems to work well in the 9mm. Granted, I'm running it in a poly pistol... so it doesn't turn into a giant heatsink. The only thing I can say positive about TiteGroup is... it sure does seem to last forever. I loaded up 500rds of 9 a few months ago... I think the level in the TG can went UP, not down.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Titegroup does run surprisingly hot. It’s not so bad in 9mm, but I’ve tried it in 40S&W and 44Special, it’s almost unbearable to shoot much volume. I would guess 45ACP will also run hot.

I’ve never found it to be dirty though. Maybe lighter loads are cooler and dirtier?

When I try any new-to-me powder, I buy three of the smallest containers it comes in - except Promo which only comes in 8’s. I burn the first can/bottle in every caliber recommended just to get to know the powder’s personality. The second bottle is for trying out-of-the-mainstream loads, just to get an idea what it can do. The third is for making whatever it excelled in. I’m using my last bottle of TiteGroup for .380ACP FMJ and 9mm Makarov FMJ because that’s where it really shines. I won’t buy more because Accurate No.2 also really shines there and doesn’t run as hot. It’s not that TiteGroup is a bad powder or doesn’t perform well, it’s just that there’s other powders that do what it does as well or better without the heat and scorched chamber walls.

 

[Mike44]

4.6 gr Titegroup with Xtreme 230 gr RN, COL 1.250" works well for me in 1911

 

[Targa]

I’m ditching tight group because I want to buy a lot of one powder that will cover my handgun needs. I settled on HP38 for that duty.

Good choice! Their is a number of good powders to cover a broad canvas of handgun reloading and HP38/231 is certainly one of them.

 

[ericuda]

Good load in 45. I do get scorched cases in 45 and 9 but I recently used it on 44 mag and cases are not scorched.

 

[JCSC]

Got lucky today. Wife is in Augusta and found a few pounds of H335 and HP38. I’ll burn this titegroup and be good to go.

 

[JM531]

Has anyone used TG under a 230 FMJ in 45 Acp?

My Lyman manual does not list it, but Nosler manual has 4.7 gr Max @ 802 fps.

I’m out of HP38 and just looking to burn this 3/4# of TG I have left. Don’t plan on using tight group anymore.

This will just be range ammo.

I have loaded some .45 with 4.4 grains of titegroup. 230 grain LRN. Chrono was averaging about 800fps and they were punching paper.

 

[ericuda]

@JCSC

Too bad, titegroup can load from 380 to 44mag that I know of. Kinda worth keeping some around. I too like hp38 or unique better but hard to not like it's versatility.

 

[JCSC]

Curious what y’all may run to get better case fill? 4.6 grains of TG leaves a lot of room for a double charge.