.45 Auto Rim?

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I can see 45 Super pressure level in late S&W M25 (but only if S&W approves), But 460 Rowland:

".460 Rowland... Maximum pressure 40,000 psi", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.460_Rowland

I wouldn't like to be on the range when somebody shooting .460 Rowland from any S&W M25.


That bit about S&W approving is pretty funny. They don’t approve handloads so why would they approve a gunsmith conversion of one of their revolvers? The last time they acknowledge a gunsmith conversion is when they introduced the Model 3913, a decent copy of the cut down Model 39-2 being produced by ASP and Devel.

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HLC-02xx does not show up in my Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, copywrite 2016. So it is at least post 2015. As such, I believe it will have the endurance package incorporated in N frames.

My S&W Model 22-4 and Model 625-6 both handle the 45 Super.


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HLC-02xx does not show up in my Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, copywrite 2016. So it is at least post 2015. As such, I believe it will have the endurance package incorporated in N frames.

My S&W Model 22-4 and Model 625-6 both handle the 45 Super.


Kevin
And exactly what is the "endurance package incorporated in N frames"???
 

Interesting statement from Bob Wright in that thread:

"Again, the main studs, that is, the trigger pivot pin and the hammer pivot pin, did indeed shear off, not once, but several times in my Model 29. And these were replaced with the newer pins. I'm not sure what process was used to get the sheared off stubs out, but they were replaced. And when I was at the factory, there was at least one other Model 29 having the endurance package installed. Maybe there were some things not done, but as to my gun, the shearing of pins stopped, the opening of the cylinder stopped, and the dual firing pin indentations on the case head stopped. The gun went on for around 15,000 rounds or more before I sold it."

I don't want to make impression that I am bashing S&W (I am looking now for S&W 629 DX -3 or -4), but those previous S&W M29/629 revolvers had a lot of issues. To be fair, almost all of them are on M29/629 models, when full power 44 Magnum ammo is extensively used. Softer shooting 45 ACP or 45 AR ammo just wouldn't do such stress on revolver, even older M25, before endurance package was introduced. I can understand when somebody wants older N-frame for collection, they were beautifully done. However, for shooting, I would go with later models, with endurance package (longer bolt notches), but with pin on hammer (my preference), because those revolvers do not have MIM parts.
 
Interesting statement from Bob Wright in that thread:

"Again, the main studs, that is, the trigger pivot pin and the hammer pivot pin, did indeed shear off, not once, but several times in my Model 29. And these were replaced with the newer pins. I'm not sure what process was used to get the sheared off stubs out, but they were replaced. And when I was at the factory, there was at least one other Model 29 having the endurance package installed. Maybe there were some things not done, but as to my gun, the shearing of pins stopped, the opening of the cylinder stopped, and the dual firing pin indentations on the case head stopped. The gun went on for around 15,000 rounds or more before I sold it."

I don't want to make impression that I am bashing S&W (I am looking now for S&W 629 DX -3 or -4), but those previous S&W M29/629 revolvers had a lot of issues. To be fair, almost all of them are on M29/629 models, when full power 44 Magnum ammo is extensively used. Softer shooting 45 ACP or 45 AR ammo just wouldn't do such stress on revolver, even older M25, before endurance package was introduced. I can understand when somebody wants older N-frame for collection, they were beautifully done. However, for shooting, I would go with later models, with endurance package (longer bolt notches), but with pin on hammer (my preference), because those revolvers do not have MIM parts.


The Silhouette shooters showed how much/little abuse the Model 29 could handle. Complaints of the cylinder spinning backwards after a shot was the eye opener. That and internal pins shearing. So, S&W redesigned what they could and made a better revolver.

For me, the easy way to tell the “improved” model is the frame lug.

This photo shows the two different frame lugs, the old style on the S&W Model 28-2 and the new improved style on the S&W Model 625-6.

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